Stud question

[ige14]

I want to host a stud tournament, so I was looking on wsop.com for a structure. I was confused when the first level had a "button ante." What does that mean? There is no button in stud. I was going to be the dealer instead of everyone else dealing and start with seat 1 just like a normal casino would do. Anyway was just wondering what that was. Thanks

[BigKyle]

I have no idea what it means but I would just play with a button if you use that structure. You can just adjust the limits anyway. Start where everyone antes 25 and go from there, the limits will probably be 100-200. Try this one

25 50 100-200
25 50 150-300
50 75 200-400
75 100 300-600
100 150 400-800 color up 25s
100 200 500-1000
100 200 600-1200
200 300 800-1600
300 400 1000-2000
300 400 1200-2400 color up 100s
500 500 1500-3000
500 1000 2000-4000
1000 1000 3000-6000
1000 1500 4000-8000

[pltrgyst]

For some casino stud tournaments, where the beginning ante would be smaller than the smallest chip in play, they do use a button for the early rounds, until the normal ante reaches the smallest chip value. The only purpose of this button is to track the ante; the dealer still deals every hand beginning at seat 1.

So, for example, in a stud tourney with starting stacks of T5k, and starting level of 25/50, you'd use one T25 ante, paid by whomever has the button, for the entire table.

(Note that in mixed tournaments, during stud and similar non-blind games, the button can also be used to count hands of a given game in the game rotation.)

[BGinGA]

Correct info regarding the button ante.

Some ring games (and tournaments) use the button to show which player puts in the full amount of antes for the entire table. Instead of having the actual dealer collect antes from every player on every hand, the dealer only collects the total ante amount for the table from one person per hand - who is identified by the moving dealer button.

This is reasonably fair, and also speeds up the game to some degree - regardless of the chip values in relation to the ante size.

Some stud games also use the moving dealer button as a ficticious dealing start location, with the first dealt card going to the first player following the button -- but this is certainly less common. Personally, I think this usage is more confusing than always dealing first to seat position #1. It's not worth the extra bother of using a dealer button at all, if you aren't counting hands or using a bounty ante.

[BGinGA]

Below is the blind structure used for our local Limit Razz and Limit Stud Hi/Lo tournaments. The events take about 3-1/2 to 4 hours for between 8 and 16 players. The first three rounds are 20 minutes; all others are 15 minutes:

Limit Razz & Stud Hi-Lo Tournaments
T8000 starting stacks (40 initial big bets)
12xT32, 12xT100, 5xT500, 4xT1000

Rd, Ante, Bring-in, Bets
R1 25 50 100/200
R2 25 50 150/300
R3 50 75 200/400
R4 50 100 300/600
R5 75 150 400/800
R6 100 200 500/1000
R7 150 300 750/1500
~ remove T25 chips
R8 200 400 1000/2000
R9 300 600 1500/3000
R10 400 800 2000/4000
R11 600 1200 3000/6000
R12 800 1600 4000/8000
R13 1200 2400 6000/12000
R14 1500 3000 7500/15000
~ remove T100 and T500 chips
R15 2000 4000 10000/20000
R16 3000 6000 15000/30000
R17 4000 8000 20000/40000
R18 6000 12000 30000/60000
R19 8000 16000 40000/80000
R20 12000 24000 60000/120000

[Harlequin011]

button ante...

I've played games like this. One player... button antes for the table. X per player. If you miss your ante you have to wait until you are on the button again. In a tourney that doesn't matter.

[ige14]

Ok now I get it. Thanks for the help!

[abby99]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

button ante...

I've played games like this. One player... button antes for the table. X per player. If you miss your ante you have to wait until you are on the button again. In a tourney that doesn't matter.

In a tourney wouldn't they take the button ante from your stack when you're absent, or is that what you mean by "In a tourney that doesn't matter"?

[Harlequin011]

Originally Posted by abby99

In a tourney wouldn't they take the button ante from your stack when you're absent, or is that what you mean by "In a tourney that doesn't matter"?

They take it from the stack regardless of your presence. That's what I meant by doesn't matter.