About using cash set in tournaments

pug_in_chip · Tweet this Post! #1 09-01-2010, 01:06 PM

I was wondering: I have a H9 cash set, which I would like to use also in tournaments from time to time.

Breakdown:
165 of $1's
231 of $5's
150 of $25's
25 of $100's

Has anyone any experience using this kind of breakdown in tournaments,
like picture below shows:

about-using-cash-set-tournaments-cash_chips_in_tourney.jpg

I played around with blindvalet a bit and got something like the following structure:

Freezeout Tournament, Starting Stack: 700
Players: 10, Duration: 4 hours, Levels: 20 minutes

Blind Structure
1 - 2
2 - 4
3 - 6 ante 1
BREAK
4 - 8 ante 1
8 - 16 ante 2
12 - 24 ante 3
BREAK / race-off $1 chips
20 - 40 ante 5
30 - 60 ante 5
50 - 100 ante 15
75 - 150 ante 20
BREAK / race-off $5 chips
100 - 200 ante 25
200 - 400 ante 50
400 - 800 ante 100
800 - 1600 ante 200
1500 - 3000 ante 400
3000 - 6000 ante 500

Created by the Blind Valet structure creator at Blind Valet - ..Blind Structure Calculator and poker tournament clock

Could that work? Or something similar?

Or second option: What if everyone would get, say, $600 in chips, buy-in $50 (Freezeout), blinds steady 1/2 (do not rise). That way we could play like cash game, but it would still be a tournament. When chips run out, you're done.

Any comments? Experience?

This is just b/c I would like to use my cash game chips in tournaments sometimes (all of the others don't like to play cash games so much).

jdunford · Tweet this Post! #2 09-01-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pug_in_chip

I was wondering: I have a H9 cash set, which I would like to use also in tournaments from time to time.

Breakdown:
165 of $1's
231 of $5's
150 of $25's
25 of $100's

Has anyone any experience using this kind of breakdown in tournaments,
like picture below shows:

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I've done something like that. For tournaments, the starting stack is arbitrary as long as everybody starts with 50-200 x BB (I personally like 200 x BB; some prefer 100 x BB; online sites often give 50 x BB). Whether that's a T200 starting at 1/2 or a T5000 starting at 25/50, it's all the same.

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Originally Posted by pug_in_chip

Or second option: What if everyone would get, say, $600 in chips, buy-in $50 (Freezeout), blinds steady 1/2 (do not rise). That way we could play like cash game, but it would still be a tournament. When chips run out, you're done.

While this sounds fun, it will never end. If the blinds never increase, there's a good chance that after 10+ hours you've got 3 or 4 players each with 1/3-1/4 of the chips in play. There's no pressure on them, so outside of a handful of chips changing hands every now and then, nothing will ever happen.

BigKyle · Tweet this Post! #3 09-01-2010, 01:47 PM

I would do a T500, T600, or T700 with 5-5 blinds to start. Much easier without the T1 chips imo.

99%evil · Tweet this Post! #4 09-01-2010, 02:01 PM

We used to do cash chips for our tourneys all the time, we used quarters and played a T200 tourney, lasted about 2 hours, perfect to start he night, blinds were just like a typical T5000 tourney with 25/50 blinds to start, just throw it over a few decimal places.

pug_in_chip · Tweet this Post! #5 09-01-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jdunford

While this sounds fun, it will never end. If the blinds never increase, there's a good chance that after 10+ hours you've got 3 or 4 players each with 1/3-1/4 of the chips in play. There's no pressure on them, so outside of a handful of chips changing hands every now and then, nothing will ever happen.

This might help to trick our players little-by-little into cash games...

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Originally Posted by BigKyle

I would do a T500, T600, or T700 with 5-5 blinds to start. Much easier without the T1 chips imo.

Yeh, I know....but I would just get nearly all my chips into play, including the $1's. But this sounds good to try out sometimes.

DarPodo · Tweet this Post! #6 09-01-2010, 02:45 PM

When I do host usually half of the players come for the cash games and half for the tournament. So I set up a tournament to start that would only last an hour and a half and then as people get knocked out they gravitate upwards the cash game.*

If I were in your shoes I would definitely adhere to the advice above and go with no $1 in the tournament.

I'd go starting stacks for ten players:

10 x $5
10 x $25
2 * x $100

That's a T500... Blinds I'd go with 15min levels and:

5-10
10-20
20-40
30-60
40-80
50-100
75-150
100-200

Seems really fast, but it should be over or heads up by 100-200 (unless it's the tightest game ever).

For the cash game you have available:

$165 in $1s
$655 in $5s

Not sure on your preferred cash stakes but those left over chips would suffice for a ring game to occur while the tourny wraps up (I'd say a 2-4 limit dealer choice game would work).

That's how I would do it. Satisfies the tourny and the cash crowd. Would need two tables though or it would get mighty confusing.

jdunford · Tweet this Post! #7 09-01-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DarPodo

When I do host usually half of the players come for the cash games and half for the tournament. So I set up a tournament to start that would only last an hour and a half and then as people get knocked out they gravitate upwards the cash game.*

If I were in your shoes I would definitely adhere to the advice above and go with no $1 in the tournament.

I'd go starting stacks for ten players:

10 x $5
10 x $25
2 * x $100

That's a T500... Blinds I'd go with 15min levels and:

5-10
10-20
20-40
30-60
40-80
50-100
75-150
100-200

Seems really fast, but it should be over or heads up by 100-200 (unless it's the tightest game ever).

For the cash game you have available:

$165 in $1s
$655 in $5s

Not sure on your preferred cash stakes but those left over chips would suffice for a ring game to occur while the tourny wraps up (I'd say a 2-4 limit dealer choice game would work).

That's how I would do it. Satisfies the tourny and the cash crowd. Would need two tables though or it would get mighty confusing.

I'd highly recommend against having a cash game running at the same time as the tournament using the same chips. Even if you have the most honest and trustworthy players EVAR, you're just asking for trouble. It's too easy for a tournament player to slip a few $5s and $25s into his pocket and put them on the table in the cash game. This is why 97.463% of Chiptalkers have at least (ahem) one cash set and one tournament set. At the very least, if you're going to run a tournament with cash-denom chips, have two cash sets: One for the tournament and another completely different set for the cash game.

ovo · Tweet this Post! #8 09-01-2010, 04:41 PM

I've used my Desert Palms cash set for a tourney. I can do a T10 tourney with .05, .25, and 1 dollar chips or a T100 with .25, 1, 5, 10, ( I created a non denom I can use for a 50 for a T200 , etc...

DarPodo · Tweet this Post! #9 09-01-2010, 05:22 PM

You are 100% correct.

I play with guys I've known since grade school. No fear of cheating.

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Originally Posted by jdunford

I'd highly recommend against having a cash game running at the same time as the tournament using the same chips. Even if you have the most honest and trustworthy players EVAR, you're just asking for trouble. It's too easy for a tournament player to slip a few $5s and $25s into his pocket and put them on the table in the cash game. This is why 97.463% of Chiptalkers have at least (ahem) one cash set and one tournament set. At the very least, if you're going to run a tournament with cash-denom chips, have two cash sets: One for the tournament and another completely different set for the cash game.

byline9 · Tweet this Post! #10 09-02-2010, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ovo

I've used my Desert Palms cash set for a tourney. I can do a T10 tourney with .05, .25, and 1 dollar chips or a T100 with .25, 1, 5, 10, ( I created a non denom I can use for a 50 for a T200 , etc...

x2...This works great. Makes them very versatile, especially for travel sets.

I use my current travel set (labeled Wallsons/Progens) this way. The .05/.25/$1 chips (10/10/12 or 15/13/11) can play in a T15 tournament, using $1 and $2 chips for rebuys (plus a few alternate color Pink $10 chips.) Or as Ovo said, you can also use non-denom chips for tournament rebuys.

My $5, standard blue $10, and $25 chips are only used for cash games - so you couldn't slip anything larger than a $2 chip into the cash game (and often the $2 wouldn't be used anyway.)

The best part is, by using the $2 and alternate $10 chips for the tournament, I have a great reason to purchase more chips for the set (without having to buy 2 complete sets.)