Oddball Tourney Structure Requirements

[bergs]

Need to spread a 20-25 person tournament that will last 5-6 hours. Don't want to use my Dunes Paulsons (don't know some of these guys and don't want to spend the afternoon cringing if someone splashes the pot - not the usual CT crowd).

I would like to use Paulsons - preferably a PNY set that I would at least partially rebuild - but getting even 1 rack of PNY $500s is going to be tough and possibly cost-prohibitive.

Here's the question(s):

1. Any recommendation for a tournament structure that uses predominantly $5, $25, and $100 chips and meets the criteria specified in paragraph #1 above.

2. How lame is it to play something like a T1500 with T5 chips in play? I know that T10K and T5K are the preferred starting stacks with a Foxwoods-like structure and 15-20 minute blinds. Do lesser starting stacks tilt the hell out of people or make the tournament less enjoyable?

[JoseRijo]

Hey, thanks for inviting us, pal.

For one or two tables, a T1500 seems fine. The problem is when you get down to five or six, the average stack will be T6000, so it seems like you need some 500s.

Why not use the 5s as 500 and go with 3 denominations?

[JM]

I don't see why you couldn't just divide a t5000 or t10000 structure by 5 and use the 5/25/100 chips. We did a tourney like this at dolo's a while back with rebuys and it was great.

[bergs]

Originally Posted by JoseRijo

Hey, thanks for inviting us, pal.

For one or two tables, a T1500 seems fine. The problem is when you get down to five or six, the average stack will be T6000, so it seems like you need some 500s.

Why not use the 5s as 500 and go with 3 denominations?

Hmmmmm - that's a thought! I'm usually not a huge fan of using chips as denominations other than what they really are, but depending on how much rebuilding a PNY set will cost me - I may not have a choice.

I'm spreading this game for someone else's charity - and I really have no idea who's going to be showing up, so I really can't use the Dunes Paulsons. They're all my wife's friends and I've never met them.

Then again, they've never met me.



Man, it would be so sweet to rebuild a PNY tourney set though. Only chips I've ever really had seller's remorse about.

(Edit: if she has seats available, an invite will be going out to the MA/NH crew here - I think it's South Shore, if that matters to anyone - I'll know more at the end of the week)

[osumike11379]

give 7600 chips and start with 5/10 blinds...

Oh sorry flashing back to the last church tournament I played in

Yeah 1500 is fine imho....could even do a T1000 with 5/10 blinds and long levels if you so chose - I play a T1million that is basically a knockoff of then T1000 structure and it plays fine...

[guinness]

We used to do a 5/25/100 denom based tournament (1500 starting stacks) when I used to have PNY's. I did have 10 or 20 of the 500's for coloring up but a 1500 stack is fine. Based on the tournament people and cause, I'd be tempted to do T1000 actually.

[links_slayer]

Originally Posted by rhbergman

1. Any recommendation for a tournament structure that uses predominantly $5, $25, and $100 chips and meets the criteria specified in paragraph #1 above.

I would go with a T1,000 or T1,500 as mentioned. 10-10-7 (or 10-10-7-1 for T1,500) starting stacks have worked very well for me.

20 minutes/level for the following structure should last no longer than the 1000/2000 level (assuming 25 players) which is at the 5 hour 40 minute mark, excluding breaks:

5/10
10/20
15/30
20/40
30/60
40/80
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400
300/600
400/800
500/1000
600/1200
800/1600
1000/2000

Originally Posted by rhbergman

2. How lame is it to play something like a T1500 with T5 chips in play? I know that T10K and T5K are the preferred starting stacks with a Foxwoods-like structure and 15-20 minute blinds. Do lesser starting stacks tilt the hell out of people or make the tournament less enjoyable?

As far as making them less enjoyable or making people tilt, there's not much you can do about how the players feel about it. Give me T500 starting stack or T5,000,000,000 starting stacks. As long as the structure is well thought out and the levels aren't 3 minutes long, I'm happy. I understand your concern though. If it's that big of a deal just tell them each chip is worth 1,000 x face value and they'll feel like they're straight ballin'

[Captn_All_In]

My old T1500 was with 2 demons...T25-T100 with stacks of 12-12. Then I had T500's for color ups. Start the blinds at 25-50 and have them move slow to start so people get thier monies worth. I also have given out bonus chips for showing up early...like 300 or 500 depending on the crowd and purpose of the event.

Are they doing an auction of some kind at this event? I was at a tournament where they gave bonus chips to people who won items at the auction...kind of a reward for outbidding other people on items and thus spending more money on the cause.

[links_slayer]

Originally Posted by Captn_All_In

My old T1500 was with 2 demons... Start the blinds at 25-50

30BB to start?

[bergs]

Originally Posted by links_slayer

I would go with a T1,000 or T1,500 as mentioned. 10-10-7 (or 10-10-7-1 for T1,500) starting stacks have worked very well for me.

20 minutes/level for the following structure should last no longer than the 1000/2000 level (assuming 25 players) which is at the 5 hour 40 minute mark, excluding breaks:

5/10
10/20
15/30
20/40
30/60
40/80
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400
300/600
400/800
500/1000
600/1200
800/1600
1000/2000



As far as making them less enjoyable or making people tilt, there's not much you can do about how the players feel about it. Give me T500 starting stack or T5,000,000,000 starting stacks. As long as the structure is well thought out and the levels aren't 3 minutes long, I'm happy. I understand your concern though. If it's that big of a deal just tell them each chip is worth 1,000 x face value and they'll feel like they're straight ballin'

Good point about the structure being more important than the starting stack - I guess I was fixated on the magical 10K stack (not that it matters, I'm proud of my ability to quickly donk off stacks of any size).

So I've already gone and bought a rack of $25 primaries (giving me 300 total), a rack of $100 primaries (giving me 200 total), and a half rack of $500 primaries (giving me 50 total). This plus 2 racks of red from my PNY cash set and I think I'm good to go for 25 people with exactly what Links proposed here (starting stacks and blinds).