[Sneds]

Who on earth had the idea of having a 500 chip and a 1,000 chip as standard?

I don't really like the idea of having chips on the table that aren't being used - this is because usually people start putting in their blinds with 12 25s instead of just 3 100s (as an example)

I'm a fan of having a lot of chips in play, but not those that are redundent for the current blinds.

Consequently I have quite the dilemma, I'm looking to pretty much overhaul my whole blind structure, but having great problems. This is because we have between 30-50 people every week and we have one TD running the tournament (on a rota)

I want the chip ups to be made during the breaks and I want the breaks to be evenly spaced out.

We use the normal - 25/100/500/1,000/5,000/25,000

1k starting stack - rebuys for 1 hour double add on available.

25/25 - 20 mins
25/50 - 20 mins
50/100 - 20 mins
End of rebuy period
75/150 - Irrelevent mins
100/200
150/300
200/400
250/500
300/600
400/800
500/1,000
600/1,200
800/1,600
1,000/2,000

Blind structure is fine at this point..

But from here, where do I go? It makes sense for me to go

1,200/2,400
1,500/3,000
2,000/4,000
2,500/5,000
3,000/6,000
4,000/8,000

Purely because it goes quite well with regards to stable increases. However, I would want to get rid of the 100s after the 1,200/2,400 level.

But then I would want to get rid of the 500s three levels later...

I have considered bringing in Antes, but it doesn't really help the situation much. Has anybody got any decent blind structures that allow time between 500 and 1,000 chip ups?

Thanks for your help.

[wijwij]

If the chips don't go up in a constant sequence of multiples, and your blinds do go up in a constant sequence of multiples, then you can't achieve your goal of having the color-ups happen during evenly-spaced breaks if your blinds are all the same length. It's a math thing.

One possibility is to consider eliminating the T1000 and T5000 chip and replacing them with a T2500 chip.

T25, T100, T500, T2500

Color up T25 just before T200/T400 level.
Color up T100 before T1000/T2000.
Color up T500 before T5000/T10000.

Sample sked using 2-3-4-6 and 2-3-5-7 patterns for small blind chip:

50-100, 75-150, 100-200, 150-300, color up T25
200-400, 300-600, 500-1000, 700-1500, color up T100
1000-2000, 1500-3000, 2500-5000, 3500-7500, color up T500
5000-10000, 7500-15000, 10000-20000, 15000-30000

Another option is to use a chip smaller than T25 and have the T500 chip be the biggest chip in play. Do a T2000 starting with 10-20.

T5, T25, T100, T500

10-20, 15-30, 25-50, 35-75, color up T5
50-100, 75-150, 100-200, 150-300, color up T25
200-400, 300-600, 500-1000, 700-1500, color up T100
1000-2000, 1500-3000, 2500-5000, 3500-7500

Or even start use just 1, 5, 25, 100 chips. Do a T500 starting at 2-4.

T1, T5, T25, T100

2-4, 3-6, 5-10, 7-15, color up T1
10-20, 15-30, 25-50, 35-75, color up T5
50-100, 75-150, 100-200, 150-300, color up T25
200-400, 300-600, 500-1000 . . .

Another idea is to use your T500 and T1000 chips and let the time between blind levels gradually get reduced. Say do 2 levels in first hour, 3 levels in second hour, 4 levels in third hour, and see if that can work. You have quite a gradual schedule, so if you find some places to trim, it might work out. Or using blind amounts that force the 500 chip to stay in play.

25-50, 50-100, (30 min blinds) no color up
75-150, 100-200, 150-300 (20 min blinds) color up T25
200-300, 300-600, 400-800, 600-1200 (15 min blinds) color up T100
1000-2000, 1500-3000, 2000-4000, 2500-5000 (15 min) color up T500
3000-6000, 4000-8000, 6000-12000, ... (15 min) no more color ups

Here I put 2500-5000 level in just so that you would have a reason to keep the 500 chip in play for one more level.

Note that if you think 15 min levels are too fast, you could adjust the above schedule to any values that add up right. Breaks would be spaced out evenly but would not fall on hour marks. For example, first two levels could be 45 min, next three could be 30 min., next four could be 22 min. so there would be 90 minutes between breaks.

[weak]

Originally Posted by Sneds

But from here, where do I go? It makes sense for me to go

1,200/2,400
1,500/3,000
2,000/4,000
2,500/5,000
3,000/6,000
4,000/8,000

i'd rather use something like that:

1500-3000
2000-4000
3000-6000
4000-8000
5000-10000

[Wooderson]

Originally Posted by wijwij

One possibility is to consider eliminating the T1000 and T5000 chip and replacing them with a T2500 chip.

Word. The T2500 in underappreciated.

[whataboutj]

Interesting that the traditional chip progresion goes T500 to T1000 and goes completely away from the concept of 4x the previous chip value. I myself have sets with tht progresion and never thought about it. A T2000 or T2500 is actually the chip that should be in play

[tastic]

I'm putting together a set of 100-500-2000 denoms for just this reason with the following blind schedule:

100-200
200-400
300-600
400-800
600-1200
800-1600
remove 100s
1000-2000
1500-3000
2000-4000
3000-6000
remove 500s (although in practice I may not remove all of the 500s but most to allow more range in bets)
4000-8000
6000-12000
8000-16000
10000-20000
12000-24000...

[Sneds]

Originally Posted by weak

i'd rather use something like that:

1500-3000
2000-4000
3000-6000
4000-8000
5000-10000

Yeah it feels like quite a big jump from 1000/2000 to 1500/3000 but I think I'm just going to have to lump it.

It's just annoying that the standard is so awkward really.

Wijwij, unfortunately we're quite unflexible with regards to chips. The chips we have won't be replaced for some time so we've got the make do with what we've got.

Thanks for the help.

[jojobinks]

did a 25k 18 man tournament last night at uw85's with my new chips (including the 2500 and no 1000).

looked like this:

round   ante    sb      bb
       1              25      50
       2              50     100
       3             100     200
       4      25     150     300
       5      50     250     500
       6      50     400     800
       7     100     500    1000
       8     100     800    1500
       9     100    1000    2000
      10     200    1500    3000
      11     300    2000    4000
      12     400    2500    5000
      13     500    3500    7500
      14    1000    5000   10000
      15    1000    6000   12500
      16    1000    7500   15000
      17    1500   10000   20000

truth be told...i could use more 2500s for color ups (only have 100 for now). we brought in uw85's 25k plaques and they helped out a lot. this tournament went to level 16.

[squiggly]

After labelling my faux clay with T1000 and using them in play, I decided that I will be having a T2500 instead in my ASM set, whenever they finally get ordered.

[imthatguy]

You know why I like a $1000? Because it allows me to buy more chips.

I played a tournament on the weekend that was the structure from the $1500 NLHE event at the WSOP. 40 minutes levels made for a very good tournament.