[smoore]

So... I know having lots and lots of $$$$ on the table is attractive to a lot of people but I guess I'm just old school, I love the idea of "If we play for $25, then that's how many starting chips you get." So anyway I've been trying to come up with my next structure as I've sold the chips (my old legends of poker set) to a local friend. I decided that I'd try the "big stack" approach and multiply the buyin by 10 to arrive at $T.

I'mma probably get some BCC flame clays with hotstamps and I want to save moniez by sticking with stock stamps... That "bronze text" or whatever that BCC just aquired is some hot stuff.

I'm also a rebel in that I *hate* the $1000 chip. To me it's like having $5 and $10 chips in play... when I buy chips for a tournament, I want to get the biggest bang for my buck I can. This leads me to prefer a 25/100/500/2500/10000 progression instead of a 25/100/500/1000/5000 progression.

Add that little quirk to my conundrum and I'm right back to my old school ways... no one carries a $2500 stock stamp and I'm loath to spend $100 for the stamp. Hmm.

I like rebuys, whether they are unlimited "when below starting stack" (my favorite) or "one if you bust" or "one anytime"... whatever, get that money in the pool! I also like addons at the end of the rebuy where you get 1.5x starting stack for 1x the buyin.

So... is having a "real stake" tournament really that bad? I'd like all the hosts and *especially* the players of regular tournaments to sound off below. Am I driving people away by not spreading T$5000 tournaments instead of a T$50 tournament? (Not that anyone wants to play for $50+R yet but that gets the theory across).

Thanks.

[SpaceMonkey]

I like your idea in theory. Especially for rebuys though, a $20 chip may be better than a $25 chip, and then you are still stuck with a die fee if you want to go with that easier 1-chip rebuy route (assuming you go with 20 for rebuys).

I am not sure you would end up losing people using this style format. Sure people that play in my game play SnG online and watch TV, but I do not think they would care if we do T20 or T3000 (was T2000 but people wanted more chips). I personally prefer the T2000+ tournaments because it is what I play online and whay I play at Foxwoods. And I like having seperate chips and colors for cash games vs. tourneys.

In the end if it is a good set up and good players, I would be likely to return even though I prefer the Txxxx format.

But I have been to several different home games and tourneys the past year that I would rather not return to because they had a bad structure, or not well organized, or they use a chip for 25, 50 and 100, or they use different colors for denoms on non-labeled chips. Or (typcially) some combination of the four.

[R Deckard]

I actually like this idea, esp. the instance of using buy-in x 100 = tournament chips, e.g. $25 = T2500, because I already run "divide-by-100" cash games with my PJBs. One main advantage to a "real buy-in" is when deals are to be made--it's easy for the finalists to have "cashing out" as a possible option.

But this scheme is blown if you want to do the usual "value-added" rebuys/add-ons, IMHO. Since you want to give more tournament chip value per dollar (in your example, 1.5x) to compensate for the raised blinds, the original dollar-to-chip correlation gets corrupted.

Bottom line for me: "real buy-in" makes a difference only for freezeouts or where the rebuys/add-ons are not "value-added" style.

[smoore]

re: Spacemonkey: I'm definitely down with "separate chips" but don't really care if the colors coincide... I want to have two distinct set of chips anyway instead of the ever-so-smooth "same set, different games" approach. I have my bluz chips for cash so I just need some clays for tournaments. I'll be using standard colors and denominations so I don't get a cool $20 chip unless I fake one for my bluz/cash set.

re: RDeckard: Yeah, I know the value added addon breaks the whole "real cash" scheme but I like to get extra money in that pool. I'm not worried about the ability to just cash out at the end, I just grab a calculator for any equity deal that arises. I state straight equity if anyone wants to deal, much like 'stars support will at the FT of one of their tournaments. With your comments though I might go away from the "value added" idea and just give straight buyin for an addon... dunno.

edit: straight cashing out wouldn't work once the last place money has been awarded... that money is gone but the chips are still in play. No big deal to have "value added"

[R Deckard]

Originally Posted by smoore

edit: straight cashing out wouldn't work once the last place money has been awarded... that money is gone but the chips are still in play. No big deal to have "value added"

Heh, well how about this wacky twist on things: when the bubble bursts, the tournament ends with everyone getting paid what they have in front of them! Man, now that would change final table strategy!