[UsIreland]

Hi
This is my first post here so please be gentle.
I am running a poker classic for my local drama group. I have taken part in many events but alot of them are crap shoots designed to be over in 2-2.5hours (unless you hit pocket something in the first 10-12hands your screwed).

The Tournament will be a 10,000 buy in. I have the following number of chips:
600white
600red
600blue
250green
250black
150yellow
150pink
150purple
150grey

I want a blinds structure that includes ante's (i really like them and it makes it feel more like the WSOP). The tournament will be a rebuy and top up tournament and I want it to last approximately 3.5-5hours.

At the moment I have the following structure what do you think?

4 x 250
4 x 500
5 x 1000
1 x 5000

Small - Big - Ante
00250 - 000500 - 000
00500 - 001000 - 000
01000 - 002000 - 000 (Break, Remove 250)
01000 - 002000 - 500
01500 - 003000 - 500
02000 - 004000 - 500
02500 - 005000 - 500 (Break, Remove 500)
03000 - 006000 - 1000
04000 - 008000 - 1000
05000 - 010000 - 1000
06000 - 012000 - 1000 (Break, Remove 1000)
08000 - 016000 - 2000
10000 - 020000 - 2000
12000 - 024000 - 2000
15000 - 030000 - 2000 (Break, Remove 2000)
20000 - 040000 - 5000
25000 - 050000 - 5000
30000 - 060000 - 5000
40000 - 080000 - 5000 (Break, Remove 5000)
50000 - 100000 - 10000

Level one lasts 30min, every other level lasts 15min
Thanks In Advance
Regards
Ian

Edit to Add: We Expect roughly 50players.

[Captn_All_In]

Wow. First off, you have a ton of chips (your gonna fit in here perfectly by the way). I will say this again, you have a ton of chips, and I don't mean numbers, I mean colors. 9 colors is a lot to work with in the same tournament, I would choose 5, maybe 6 tops. That is of course unless your going to have more than 1 color be the same value (like the red and the blue are both T100)(Also the "T" means Tournament Value, as opposed to cash value).

Next thing would be to change that T250 to a T100. To the best of my knowlege there is not a T250 chip in play at the WSOP.

Then I would look at your starting stack, you had started with this:

4 x 250
4 x 500
5 x 1000
1 x 5000

According to my math that is T13,000 not T10,000. Unless of course you meant that the 10,000 was the actual amount of money a person would need to play in this game (Whereas my game is a $20 buy in, but you get T1500 in chips)

I would suggest something like this:

10 x 100
10 x 500
4 x 1000

A little small to start, but there's not much more room for flexibility in that set of yours when your trying to seat 50 players.

You could also go this route: (More WSOP like)

8 x T25
8 x T100
10 x T500
4 x T1000

You should probably decide which of would better suit your needs/wants, and then I could suggest a blind schedule. Either way I would say have the first 3 rounds at 20min, break, then the following rounds would be 15min and take a break every hour.

Just curious here....what kind of chips do you have?? Any possiblity you could post a pic?


Oh...btw....Welcome to Chiptalk!!

[UsIreland]

Sorry to buy in is:
4x 250
4x 500
5x 1000
1x 2000

Although I agree it would be great to give out more chips unfortunately we have buy backs to account for and generally buy backs is approximately equal to buy in's. Then there are also top up's.

Here is another option I was considering:
Original Buy In:
8x T250
4x T500
4x T1000
1x T2000

Buy Back:
4x T500
4x T1000
2x T2000

Top Up's:
Small Top Up:
1x T10,000
Big Top Up:
1x T20,000

My chips? 11.5g Dice Design (Uber cheep ones but good enough for my tournaments as there are bound to be some lost, stolen etc each time so I dont want to be playing with 1doller a piece chips.

[Strange]

Hi,

Firstly, welcome.

Secondly, Capt All In regularly runs bigger tournaments than I ever will, so if I disagree with him on anything, assume that I am wrong and he is right.

You are talking about giving out 17 chips each to start with - x 50 players = 850 chips, then assume 50 re-buys = another 500 chips since you say that re-buys are about the same as players, plus say another 50 for top ups.

That all adds up to maybe half of you total stack of chips.


Here's a different way of looking at it:

you have 1200 blue+white chips. give all of those out as initial buy in.

Call them T100, and give 20 to each player making T2000, then give then another 12 red chips each as T500, making T8000 total. Then give them 2 x T1000 chips (pick a colour). Now they have T10000, 34 chips each (much nicer).

Now, at the start of the game you have 1700 of your 2600 chips on the table.

Use the higher value chips for colour ups and rebuys as and when you need them.

You'll also need to change the first level SB to, say, 200 to cope with the fact that your smallest chip is 100.

It might take a little more thought, but in general, I think that would be a reasonable approach. Personally, I'd cut the T10k down to T1000 just to simplify the numbers, but if you really don't want to do that, it shouldn't make too much difference.

[Captn_All_In]

Well I understand your concern about rebuys and addons (you called them buy backs, and top ups) but really you have more chips than you will ever need for all of those.

For example, let's just say that you make the Grey chips a T5,000. You have 150 of those. That means you can have 75 T10,000 Rebuys or Addons. So then lets just say that you make the pink T10,000. Now you have added another 150 rebuys/addons. The players may have to make some change to start with but it sure does simplify everything (Make change out of the first big pot, or off of another player).

Also Strange made some good points about getting more of you chips in play I would look into that a little more deeply.

I also would still suggest making your lowest value denom a T100 instead of T250, you will have much more flexibility in your blinds by doing that.

If you decide to leave it at T250, then your blind schedule is fine.

[Dimes]

Your starting blinds are quite high, only 20 big blinds. You could consider starting the blinds at 100-200.

As others I also think you have too many different values. Maybe you could swap chips with other dice owners or buy a few sets with more containing either red, white or blue chips.

You can use the values 100-500-1000-5000-10000. That would probably be enough colours for this tournament.

If you use the chips you have, give out:

10 x $100 = $1,000 (making a total of 500 x $100)
10 x $500 = $5,000 (500 x $500 + 100 x $500 for colouring-up the $100s, totalling 600 x $500)
4 x $1000 = 4,000 (200 x $1000 + 300 x $1000 for colouring-up the $500s, if necessary, totalling 500 x $1000)

Issue $5000s and, if necessary, $10000s for rebuys.

If you get another 150 red, white or blue chips, use:

15 x $100 = $1,500 (making a total of 750 x $100)
9 x $500 = $4,500 (450 x $500 + 150 x $500 for colouring-up the $100s totalling 600 x $500)
4 x $1000 = $4,000 (total: 200 x $1000 + 300 x $1000 for colouring-up the $500s totalling 500 x $1000)

Instead of getting another 150 red, white or blue chips, you could also use one of the colours of which you have 150 as $100s. If you use white for 100s, you can use greys as 100s too. When you take the 100s out of the tournament, this two-colour confusion will go away and you will be down to no more than 4 colours in the game (3 if you don't need $10000s).

The ante is on average about 13 percent (1/7.7) of the big blind at the WSOP main event.

TT

[UsIreland]

Right I have read alot of thread's and websites and here are the ideas I have come up with:
T10000 Buy In:
10 x 0100
04 x 0250
04 x 1000
02 x 2000
Thats 20 chips and puts 500 white, 200 red, 200 blue and 100green in play.

Then for Rebuys Something like this:
8 x 0250
4 x 1000
2 x 2000

The other Values would be:
Black 5000.
Yellow 10000.
Purple 25000.
Grey 50000.
Pink 100000.

As for the blinds schedual i was thinking along the lines of these:
Small - Big - Ante
$00,100 - $000,200 - $0
$00,200 - $000,400 - $0
$00,250 - $000,500 - $0
$00,250 - $000,500 - $100
$00,500 - $001,000 - $100
$00,750 - $001,500 - $100
$01,000 - $002,000 - $100
$01,500 - $003,000 - $250
$02,000 - $004,000 - $250
$02,500 - $005,000 - $500
$03,000 - $006,000 - $500
$04,000 - $008,000 - $1,000
$05,000 - $010,000 - $1,000
$06,000 - $012,000 - $1,000
$08,000 - $016,000 - $1,000
$10,000 - $020,000 - $2,000
$12,000 - $024,000 - $2,000
$15,000 - $030,000 - $2,000
$20,000 - $040,000 - $2,000
$25,000 - $050,000 - $5,000
$50,000 - $100,000 - $10,000

However looking at these blinds it may take too long to finnish. We have about 4 - 5hours to finnish up but according to the 5% of chips in play rule, that would occur 4hours 30min in and thats taking no rebuys. If we have 40 rebuys (not unlikely) then 5% occurs at around 5hours. Can anyone suggest some changes to the schedual?

Thanks
Regards
Ian

[Captn_All_In]

Small - Big - Ante
$00,100 - $000,200 - $0
$00,200 - $000,400 - $0
$00,250 - $000,500 - $0
$00,250 - $000,500 - $100 (REMOVE)
$00,500 - $001,000 - $100
$00,750 - $001,500 - $100
$01,000 - $002,000 - $100
$01,500 - $003,000 - $250 (REMOVE)
$02,000 - $004,000 - $250
$02,500 - $005,000 - $500 (REMOVE)
$03,000 - $006,000 - $500
$04,000 - $008,000 - $1,000
$05,000 - $010,000 - $1,000
$06,000 - $012,000 - $1,000
$08,000 - $016,000 - $1,000
$10,000 - $020,000 - $2,000
$12,000 - $024,000 - $2,000 (REMOVE)
$15,000 - $030,000 - $2,000
$20,000 - $040,000 - $2,000
$25,000 - $050,000 - $5,000 (REMOVE Add in 30K- 60K- 5K)
$50,000 - $100,000 - $10,000


That will shorten your levels some and make them more aggressive overall (this isn't that big of deal since you are basically having unlimited rebuys)

Just a question about your rebuys: what level do you plan on stopping them?

Just as a suggestion you might think about the 3rd level (250-500) because after that if someone rebuys, they will only have 10 big blinds. And then with only 10K raises are basically all in bets.

[Strange]

Damn, I was just about to post, and Capt beat me to it....

In addition to his fine comments, the jump from 200/400 to 250/500 is a bit odd. I'd suggest making the next level maybe 300/600 to follow the trend.

Personally I'd also remove the 5k/10k level.

[Double Eagle]

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http://texstears.com/Structures.html





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