[luckychick]

I'm hoping to have a NL HORSE tourney next week for my birthday, and I am trying to figure out the blind schedule/starting stacks.

Jojo asked this same question a while a go (http://chiptalk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11292), and I perused that thread, but I was wondering if anyone had comments on the structures posted there. For HORSE, there was one from the WSOP that appeared to be limit, and another from an online site. Has anyone tried these?

[Captn_All_In]

No I haven't tried either of them, but it would be interesting to see one in action. I don't think there would be a problem with making it NL just use the levels that were set as minimum bets.

Now that I say something like that I am going to need to go back and reread that whole thread.....just for clarification purposes.

You might also want to look for one on HPT...just a thought.

[Spaceman Spiff]

HORSE and no limit don't really go too well together. You've got 3 stud games and Omaha that aren't really ever played no limit. I'm not sure if Stud is ever really played even pot limit. Too many streets to have bets on. you pretty much have to do the whole tourney limit. You can't really do just hold em NL and the rest limit. Too much would come down to how you play in the HE section then.

I did one a few months ago (we did HOPS, not HORSE, but close enough) and most of us enjoyed it. I'll have to dig around for the blinds and antes and bring-ins that we used. But I know we ran it as a T3000.

[Slagar]

What is HORSE?
Hold 'em, Omaha, ...., 7 card stud, .....?

[jojobinks]

...razz...stud 8 or better.

[Slagar]

thanks

[whitepotatoe]

Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff

HORSE and no limit don't really go too well together. You've got 3 stud games and Omaha that aren't really ever played no limit. I'm not sure if Stud is ever really played even pot limit. Too many streets to have bets on. you pretty much have to do the whole tourney limit. You can't really do just hold em NL and the rest limit. Too much would come down to how you play in the HE section then.

+1

Generally, hi/lo games do not play well in the pot limit, and especially the no limit format, since proper strategy is very boring. Also, stud is not really good in the no limit format (unless you play 5 card stud or mississippi stud or some variant of these games). 7 stud, razz, and stud 8oB are limit games, omaha is a pot limit game or limit game. So basically HORSE is a limit game.

I have done a setup like this:
No Limit Holdem
Pot limit Omaha
No Limit Kansas City Lowball
Pot Limit 5 Card Draw
No Limit Mississippi Stud

It was only single table, so we changed games every orbit. If you want the blinds schedule, I could find it for you. I am going to try to get a game with all these and Murrumbidgee Stud also, so that it is 1/3 holdem, 1/3 draw, and 1/3 stud.

[luckychick]

Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff

HORSE and no limit don't really go too well together. You've got 3 stud games and Omaha that aren't really ever played no limit. I'm not sure if Stud is ever really played even pot limit. Too many streets to have bets on.

Hmmm... I guess I haven't really thought this through. Now that I think about it, it makes sense that the stud bases games won't play well as NL. Are they pretty much always limit then? Are they ever played as a spread game?

I had planned on playing Omaha high instead of Omaha 8. I know that most of the Omaha 8 games are played pot limit, and I can see why, but is there a reason why Omaha high is not good for NL? I'm not doubting anyone, I just don't understand and I am hoping someone will explain it to me.

I managed to find teh structure for the $50000 WSOP HORSE tourney. The are playing O8 instead of high (this is probably normal, I'm probably strange for wanting to play high). I will try and use something similar to that.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally Posted by luckychick

Hmmm... I guess I haven't really thought this through. Now that I think about it, it makes sense that the stud bases games won't play well as NL. Are they pretty much always limit then? Are they ever played as a spread game?

I had planned on playing Omaha high instead of Omaha 8. I know that most of the Omaha 8 games are played pot limit, and I can see why, but is there a reason why Omaha high is not good for NL? I'm not doubting anyone, I just don't understand and I am hoping someone will explain it to me.

I managed to find teh structure for the $50000 WSOP HORSE tourney. The are playing O8 instead of high (this is probably normal, I'm probably strange for wanting to play high). I will try and use something similar to that.

As a standalone game stud is played as spread limit. I suppose you could do that is a HORSE format if you wanted to.

When I did my HOPS game we also played Omaha as just Omaha Hi and not O8. Mostly for the simple fact that none of us are that knowledgeable about Omaha and playing O8 would just make it a nightmare trying to figure everything out. But in an "official" HORSE game, the O should be O8.

I'm not sure why Omaha isn't played NL. Depending on the preflop betting, pot limit can very easily become essentially no limit anyway.

[whitepotatoe]

Originally Posted by luckychick

Hmmm... I guess I haven't really thought this through. Now that I think about it, it makes sense that the stud bases games won't play well as NL. Are they pretty much always limit then? Are they ever played as a spread game?

Stud is played spread limit, but spread limit is more like fixed limit than pot or no limit, since the spread limit stud is usually 1-5 (or 1-3), rather than fixed limits of 2/4 or 3/6. If you played it spread limit 1-200 it would be more like no limit, but a 1-5 spread limit will obviously not have the potential for the pots to get large quickly like they do in pot or no limit.

Originally Posted by luckychick

I had planned on playing Omaha high instead of Omaha 8. I know that most of the Omaha 8 games are played pot limit, and I can see why, but is there a reason why Omaha high is not good for NL? I'm not doubting anyone, I just don't understand and I am hoping someone will explain it to me.

You can play omaha high if you like; play whatever games you are comfortable playing, or it won't be fun. As I said earlier, I played a mixed game without any high-low split games and all big bet games. I guess it would be called HODKM. Most people are not into Razz, Stud8 or Omaha8, so you are probably better off doing something like me or Spiff did by tailor making your mix game tourney to fit your needs.

The reason that Omaha high is not good no limit is because it is a drawing game, unlike texas holdem. Whenever someone makes a pot sized bet, you are getting 2 to 1 to call. If you have a draw that warrants the call, you call. If it was played no limit, draws would go way down in value since players made hands would price out the draws. This would be bad since the game revolves around properly playing draws, since many draws are very close calls. Tough decisions make a game good, if every decisision is a piece of cake, it's boring.

Also, Omaha 8 is usually played limit, not pot limit. I have never seen a pot limit high low split game in a casino, it is only a recent thing to have pot limit and no limit Omaha 8 online. This is probably due to the fact that newer players think limit is inferior to big bet poker. But the problem is that proper strategy for a high low split game in pot or no limit format is to sit back and wait and wait and wait for the nuts. It is tedious work. But it can be very profitable if playing against fish who play to loosely.

Originally Posted by luckychick

I managed to find teh structure for the $50000 WSOP HORSE tourney. The are playing O8 instead of high (this is probably normal, I'm probably strange for wanting to play high). I will try and use something similar to that.

Can you post a link?