[jmda]

Eight is the normal max for a stud game, but we once played nine rather than have two short tables and then combine. It takes a while for the first exit from the tourney (except the last one I ran - a player was in almost every hand and exited fairly early but the rest of the players lasted an hour and a half more).

I have two SHOE schedules one that is T1000 - T1500 and uses 5 thru 100 value chips - the other is T4000 - T5000 and uses 25 thru 500 value chips (with all the small bets, antes and bring-ins - coloring up too much causes problems). The T1000 to 1500 is my preferred schedule - I no longer have a tournament set with $5 chips - so I am getting a TR King Edgespotted Group Buy set for this very purpose.

As for the blinds - I run my SHOE tournament by changing the levels every full round of deals. This keeps the blinds fair and gives every game an equal amount of hands. Once it got 4 handed I changed to two full rounds, and heads up 3 full rounds of deals.

If you have more than one table you have to go with timed rounds - not sure of the proper way to coordinate the blinds on timed rounds but I would leave the button where it is when changing to a stud game. Stud should be dealt out the same every hand and there is no need for a rotating dealer button (unless playing a full round of deals at one table - then we use the button to keep track of how many hands of stud we have dealt).

[jmda]

Originally Posted by austin5string

Yes, but scottwire said Full Tilt does their "HORSE" tourneys like this:

H Holdem
O Omaha
R Razz
S 7 Stud
E 7 Stud hi/lo

Stud Hi/Lo Eight or better - is the game. Full Tilt is correct at least that is the game as run in the WSOP at the HORSESHOE (hence the name HORSE and SHOE). Since the WSOP was mostly played at the RIO this year - I assume that is one of the reasons they did not have a HORSE or SHOE bracelet event. THe other reason - everyone wants to play hold'em.

[scottwire]

Originally Posted by austin5string

How do they get the "E" for HORSE out of 7 stud hi/lo? Doesn't that make it a HORSS tourney?

E is used because normally hi/lo games are played where the low hand only counts if the low is an Eight low or better. If no one has an 8 low or better, the high hand takes the whole pot.

Hi/Lo games can also be played
a) without the 8 or better stipulation
b) where each player must Declare before showdown whether they are playing hi, lo or both

Almost all hi/lo games online are played as 8 or better

[jmda]

PM me if you want my SHOE schedules in Excel format. At this point - I may not be on my computer until SUnday night though.

Homepokertourney(dot)com has a HORSE schedule I think - I have not checked it out - so I have not idea how good it is.

[whitepotatoe]

If you have more than one table, and you raise the blinds after each orbit, you will have serious problems, since some tables go faster than others. I would recommend using a set time period for each bet level.

If you want to change the game each orbit it is a little bit more tricky. Have two buttons, one that is the dealer button (which stops during stud games) and the other always moving each hand to keep track of when to change games. For this, you have to have a chart with each betting level and its appropriate blinds, antes, and bring-ins. If you don't change games each orbit, but instead only change at each level, it is easier. Only changeing games with level changes is probably better if your players are generally the confused type who need to be told 10 times what the antes or blinds will be. But I like to change each orbit. Also, when you get down to 3 handed I would do 2 orbits, then heads up do 3 orbits before changing games.

[jmda]

Yes, you cannot change the games/limits every orbit if you have more than one table - it just won't work.

With one table it works great - and you only need one button. When the button completes its round it is time to change games whether it is a blinds game or not everyone gets the same amount of blinds.

We play with one full time dealer - usually - so the button moves on the stud games but the cards are handed out the same regardless of button location in the stud games (just like at a casino). Since there are antes and a bring-in for the low card there is no need to rotate the deal. The button is merely moved to keep track of when the game changes.

When we play a SHOE or dealers choice cash game we will have two buttons - a blinds button and a button to keep track of when the game changes. We throw in 2 to 7 triple draw, omaha high, razz and pineapple into the mix when it is dealers choice. The game chosen is usually played for a full round of deals.

[Double Eagle]

Jojobinks:

PM me your email address and I will send you the WSOP structure sheet as an Adobe Acrobat file. I don't know how to post it for download so if anyone can do that let me know and I will send it to you also.

Here is the quick and dirty version.

.WSOP HORSE

Level Ante SB BB Limit

1 15 30 Holdem 30 60 -

2 15 30 Omaha Hi-Lo 8B 30 60 -

3 10 15 50 Razz 50 100 -

4 10 15 50 Stud 50 100 -

5 15 25 75 Stud Hi-Lo 8B 75 150 -

6 50 75 Holdem 75 150 -

7 50 100 Omaha Hi-Lo 8B 100 200 -

8 20 30 100 Razz 100 200 -

9 25 50 150 0 Stud 150 300 -

10 25 50 150 Stud Hi-Lo 8B 150 300 -

11 100 200 Holdem 200 400 -

12 100 200 Omaha Hi-Lo 8B 200 400 -

13 50 100 300 Razz 300 600 -

14 50 100 300 Stud 300 600 -

15 75 125 400 Stud Hi-Lo 8B 400 800 -

16 200 400 Holdem 400 800 -

17 300 600 0 Omaha Hi-Lo 8B 600 1200 -

18 100 200 600 Razz 600 1200 -

19 100 300 1000 Stud 1000 2000 -

20 100 300 1000 Stud Hi-Lo 8B 1000 2000 -

21 1000 1500 Holdem 1500 3000 -

22 1000 1500 Omaha Hi-Lo 8B 1500 3000 -

23 300 600 2000 Razz 2000 4000 -

24 300 600 2000 Stud 2000 4000 -

25 500 1000 3000 0 Stud Hi-Lo 8B 3000 6000 -

26 1500 3000 Holdem 3000 6000 -

27 2000 4000 Omaha Hi-Lo 8B 4000 8000 -

28 500 1000 4000 Razz 4000 8000 -

29 1000 2000 6000 0 Stud 6000 12000 -

30 1000 2000 6000 Stud Hi-Lo 8B 6000 12000 -

31 5000 10000 Holdem 10000 20000 -

32 5000 10000 Omaha Hi-Lo 8B 10000 20000 -

33 2000 5000 15000 Razz 15000 30000 -

34 2000 5000 15000 Stud 15000 30000 -

35 3000 6000 20000 Stud Hi-Lo 8B 20000 40000 -

36 10000 20000 Holdem 20000 40000 -

[Q10 soooted]

Originally Posted by jmda

Yes, you cannot change the games/limits every orbit if you have more than one table - it just won't work.

With one table it works great - and you only need one button. When the button completes its round it is time to change games whether it is a blinds game or not everyone gets the same amount of blinds.

I'm a bit ashamed to say but for a long time we used the Partypoker structure of raising blinds in our tournaments every orbit. If you want to go this route we found the best way to do it was to start everyone out with a chip of a color not being used in the game. When they deal they pass it to an assigned 'collector' of these. Once that person collects them all the price of poker goes up and they pass them back out.

The cool thing about this is that if you have multiple tables the 'main' table can keep track of the orbit and everyone can work off of them. Works fine as long as the tables aren't drastically slower or faster than eachother. It's also good because if you start with 10ppl at each table and 3 are knocked out you can still easily change the game/blinds every 10 deals without having to remember where the orbit started.

[Nugzy]

Lets say for instance we have a set dealer in Seat 0 (Dealer Position). The game comes around to Stud, and the button is on Seat 5. Does the set dealer start the deal with Seat 6 (according to the button), or does he start dealing to Seat 1 to his left??

[Double Eagle]

Originally Posted by Nugzy

Lets say for instance we have a set dealer in Seat 0 (Dealer Position). The game comes around to Stud, and the button is on Seat 5. Does the set dealer start the deal with Seat 6 (according to the button), or does he start dealing to Seat 1 to his left??

You always follow the button. So yes, you would begin the deal with seat 6.