Color up and race

jmda · #11 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 02:01 PM

My friends and I may be anal, but we play by casino rules only. We race off when coloring up, cards hit the muck they are dead, no string bets, over chip is a call unless raise is announced etc etc.

ky70 · #12 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jmda

My friends and I may be anal, but we play by casino rules only...Cards hit the muck they are dead...

But my point was that it IS in the rules that a player CAN request/is allowed to see mucked cards. So like me, you don't adhere to that rule. JMDA, we a rebels with a cause

Captn_All_In · #13 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 03:24 PM

I chose round up, but in the big tourney I am planning next weekend, I am doing a race off. I know it will take lots of explaining but I think it is the right thing to do. What'll be harder is explaining how a spread limit game works these guys only know "ALL IN"!!!!!!

I know that is my name and all, but that is actually a bit of a jedi mind trick!!

jmda · #14 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 03:26 PM

They cannot see cards that are in the muck. THey can see a hand that is not shown if it does not hit the muck (other dead cards) - once it is in the muck it is dead

The last time I was at the casino (Caesars Indiana) - couple fridays ago. A player tossed his hand down and stated his hand qs and js (or something like that) one of the cards flipped over and hit the muck. His hand is now dead and though it would have been a winner the next best hand won the pot. We adhere to the same rules in our home games. Robert's Rules actually states that at the casinos/directors discretion if the hand can be easily retrieved from the muck that it can be live. Most casinos will say the hand is dead.

SpaceMonkey · #15 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 05:47 PM

I race them off, just like how's it done in the casinos.

To stray slightly off topic, I played once at someone else's place (outside my circle of players) who raced off chips, but allowed a player to win more than one chip. That really irked me. I don't like rounding up, but it's certainly better than giving two chips to the same person.

gwilkx · #16 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 07:01 PM

i race them off because a) it's fun; and b) it's what you will experience most of the time when you play a tournament at a casino or card room.

sure, when i have 4 chips, and someone else only has 1, they might get lucky and win the extra trip, but who cares? the extra chip doesn't matter that much, it's part of the game, and it's just as random as having your KK run down by some joker's 44.

race 'em off, i say!
gw-

dad604 · #17 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 07:22 PM

I have play in tourney with both methods. I don't like rounding up, traditional racing off is much better.

Just my 2 cents worth.

ky70 · #18 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jmda

They cannot see cards that are in the muck. THey can see a hand that is not shown if it does not hit the muck (other dead cards) - once it is in the muck it is dead

The last time I was at the casino (Caesars Indiana) - couple fridays ago. A player tossed his hand down and stated his hand qs and js (or something like that) one of the cards flipped over and hit the muck. His hand is now dead and though it would have been a winner the next best hand won the pot. We adhere to the same rules in our home games. Robert's Rules actually states that at the casinos/directors discretion if the hand can be easily retrieved from the muck that it can be live. Most casinos will say the hand is dead.

From Robert Rules Showdown section:
"5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that is eligible to participate in the showdown, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins. "

As I said, you are I both rebels (outlaws even) my friend.

ky70 · #19 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gwilkx

i race them off because a) it's fun; and b) it's what you will experience most of the time when you play a tournament at a casino or card room...

I should prefice my earlier statements by saying that I really don't care which method is being used at a game I'm attending...but if I'm hosting, I'm usually rounding.

jmda · #20 (**permalink**) 10-13-2005, 10:30 PM

WE started talking about two entirely different issues. Look under the section Dead Hands in Robert's rules - If cards hit the muck they are dead and cannot win a pot - in my home games.