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09-02-2005, 03:22 PM
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| | | Do you alter where your blinds end based on # of players?
Does anyone look at where their blinds finish up as they relate (percentage wise) to the amount of chips in play? Basically, how high do you allow your big blind to go. I stop the blinds at different levels depending on the amount of players that are in a particular tourney game.
From my experience our games run best when the big blind is stopped when it reaches from 6% to 7.5% of total chips in play. I don’t always achieve the desired percentage with where I stop the blinds but I stay in the ballpark. So although I have one uniform blind schedule for my T5000 tourney, the blinds stop at different levels based on the number of chips in play. The goal is to allow some back and forth play when it gets down to 2 guys and not have the blinds completely decide the outcome. Here’s what I came up with:
4-7 players big blind stops at 2K (level 7)
8-10 players big blind stops at 3K (level 8 )
11-13 players big blind stops at 4K (level 9)
14-20 players big blind stops at 5K (level 10)
21-26 players big blind stops at 8K (level 11)
27-33 players big blind stops at 10K (level 12)
34-40 players big blind stops at 12K (level 13)
For example, 8 players would be $40,000 in chips in play and I would stop the blinds at $4,000, which is 7.5% of the total chips in play. Does anyone else do something similar, and if so, what percentages do you use.
Edit: inserted "big" in front of blind where appropriate.  |
09-02-2005, 08:39 PM
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| | | NO I have never done this....but it sounds like a great idea!!!!
Oh man now I will have to rework all of my chip structures!!!
Oh wait a sec....I really like doing that!! HAHA |
09-03-2005, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Captn_All_In NO I have never done this....but it sounds like a great idea!!!!
Oh man now I will have to rework all of my chip structures!!!
Oh wait a sec....I really like doing that!! HAHA | I can get carried away with some stuff but I found that ending the blinds at the same level regardless of the amount of players can cause situations where the blinds are too big or too small. |
09-03-2005, 11:02 AM
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| | | No. I always just follow the blind structure. But that is the whole point of the blind structure - to end the game. If you are having the big blind be 7.5% of the chips in play, I don't see how you could ever make it through a round of that (unless both players are ultra passsive). But even if that were to happen and the blinds went up again it would be their own fault for not getting more aggressive. The blind structure always seemed to me like it is a timer counting down to all in every hand time, and I always try to win it before that happens. Having the blinds go up that high is like a punishment for the better player for not finishing the other guy off earlier. |
09-03-2005, 11:34 AM
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| | | I hear you and the games usually end around that level where the big blind is apprx 7.5% of chips in play, but on the occassions when the tourney doesn't end on that level, I don't want the blinds to go up to the next level where you have about 3 hands to catch cards or you're done...but 90% of the times the cap probably won't even come into play.
The biggest benefit from analyzing this stuff was finding out that I had to add levels to my blind schedule if I have over 20 players. Previously, my schedules for my T5000 tourneys would stop at T5000, but this excercise showed me that after a certain number of players I needed to still go up on the blinds past the 5000. |
09-03-2005, 12:35 PM
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| | | Keep the blinds going up and let the players figure it out for themselves. Freezing the blinds only allows players to play tight hoping for the dream situation where they get the nuts and the other guy gets a strong hand - translation: slow, boring, long-lasting play.
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09-03-2005, 01:05 PM
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| | | Our blinds never stop, well I shouldnt say that we have had heads up matches go along time and in these cases we will stop the blinds when they get to the point that in a few levels everyone will be all in just with the blinds lol.
But for the most part we have never had a game with 10 players starting with 1500 each go past the 800/1600 mark in blinds before we have a winner. |
09-03-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Niagara_All_In Our blinds never stop, well I shouldnt say that we have had heads up matches go along time and in these cases we will stop the blinds when they get to the point that in a few levels everyone will be all in just with the blinds lol.
But for the most part we have never had a game with 10 players starting with 1500 each go past the 800/1600 mark in blinds before we have a winner. | I see I'm in the minority here but your above example is kind of my point. I think 1600 for the big blind with 15k in play is too much (10.67%) in relation to chips in play and from my expereinces it will only be a few hands at this level before the tourney is over.
I've done it with the blinds not stoping (up until about 4 weeks ago) and capping the blinds would probably only take affect apprx. 10% of the time, but I think it's been an improvement in our games to have the blinds stop at certain levels based on the number of starting players/chips in play. I just wanted to get a feel for what everybody else does so I do appreciate the feedback. |
09-03-2005, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylecoyo Keep the blinds going up and let the players figure it out for themselves. Freezing the blinds only allows players to play tight hoping for the dream situation where they get the nuts and the other guy gets a strong hand - translation: slow, boring, long-lasting play. | I disagree with the slow, boring, long lasting comments. Our 10 man games last between 2-3 hours and with heads up play, "slow", "boring" and "long-lasting" just don't happend.
To say that freezing the blinds allows for tight play is a general statement that would be false in many cases. It's all relative to the blinds as they relate to the amount of chips in play...if you don't factor that in, your statement may not be accurate...but thanks for the feedback. |
09-03-2005, 03:47 PM
| | Short Stack | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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| | | We play T5000 tournaments and rarely reach the cap; most 7-12 person tournaments end at around 400/800 - 600/1200 after 5-6 hours (still pretty deep-stacked).
Our cap is the blind level with the Big Blind below or equal to 5% of the chips in play (10% of the avarage stack heads-up).
Capping or playing deep-stacked doesn't make play "boring" or "slow"... it rewards skill more. |
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