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Why I dislike Paulson poker chips

Discussion in 'Poker Chip Care' started by jriffel, Jun 22, 2009.

  1. imperial10

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    I totally respect your opinions...You definitely state the obvious flaws of clay chips not only Paulsons.

    I'm willing to deal with it though, when Paulson puts out a chip that resists dirt and color transfer and doesn't crack and self oils and changes colors I will buy that too for $1+

    My gripe with Paulson and I think everyone can agree after buying thousands of their brand chips and nothing else is..............












    They don't do customizations...



    BTW The Paulson store that used to be in Vegas would sell chips for 45 cents each.
     
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  2. guinness

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    I owned my first ASM custom set in 1997. I've spent oh, maybe $10,000 on chips over the years. Truth is, I love Paulsons the best hands down. They are the Ferrari of chips.

    Now, do I have animosity for other chips that are "cheap"? NO! I tell people all the time to get Faux clay chips who are new chippers. I tell people to get NexGens. I tell people to get China clays..and the suggestions go up and up as the audience taste goes up and up. But, to hate on Paulson is just so ridiculous. I think over time you'll accept all and you will purchase what is best for you.

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  3. Mistakenly

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    Hand up - about 15 years ago. Don't argue with the obscure reference however :)

    I've only ever had one rack of well worn Paulsons, but I'd have to say they do feel better than my ASMs and ceramics.
     
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  4. jriffel

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    I originally wrote this thread to create controversy and generate some thought. Yes I use cheap(!) chips, and they work for me. I appreciate that taking care of an investment (good chips) is important. I think for the price of quality chips, you should be getting chips without the existing issues that many simply put up with. There are many scientists out there that could be employed to create a sturdier chip that still has the great look, feel, and sound that are important. If we dont make a loud noise, status quo will remain the best there is. This thread made one such noise. WIll the chip companies even listen to this little noise, I won't hold my breath.
     
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    I think Iran and North Korea are working on this right now.
     
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    you really think you know what's best, don't you? got it all pinned down.

    this post shows a lot of self importance in your attitudes. combine that with your previous display of perceived superiority over us and you've got yourself a.......

    well you know.
     
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    Out of curiosity, how much do you feel a Paulson is worth then? You gave us your estimate of ~30c to manufacture (which is probably off), and obviously Paulson has to mark it up to stay in business. Let's say 50-60c, would you buy it then?

    Even if their chips had more color choices, sturdier and came pre-oiled I find it hard to believe you would even pay 50c a chip given your attitude so far.
     
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  9. Blaster

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    This statement is simply False, & shows you seem to know very little about business.
    First, I doubt you are privvy to Paulson's actual costs to produce chip & I think it's more, but let's ASSume you are correct anyway.
    If it Does cost Paulson .30 to make a chip, it's then not unreasonable to think they are selling them for .50-.60 per, to wholesalers in bulk (they don't sell chips directly to end consumers.), + shipping , which is a reasonable markup.
    These wholesalers buy in large bulk quantities, then have to either resell them to individual retailers, who must tack on another .15-.20 or so, + pay shipping, or perhaps sell them in even smaller quantities directly to consumers.
    This makes the final cost to the retail customer, that purchases small quantities, at around $1-1.20/chip, & is very reasonable for something that costs .30 to mfgr.
    This, by the way, is in line with virtually everything else that sells for $1 .. Go into any $1 store, & I'll bet any & every single item in the store probably cost the original mfgr LESS than .30 ea to produce it .... & Every single item in the dollar store isn't "overpriced" either.
    In fact, many items you routinely purchase for between $1-$5 probably cost less than .50 to mfgr.
    Finally, if you look at any similar product on the market, namely a "Casino quality chip" made by a company that actually supplies USA casinos, using same techniques & materials , they are also in the same price range of .85 - 1.35/chip too (Chipco, BC, ASM Paulson).
    It probably costs Panasonic $7.50 to "mfgr" that $69.99 DVD player... Doesn't mean they're "overpriced" @ the retail level - you've got a lot to learn.
    You can legitimately feel they are "expensive" chips, but they aren't "overpriced".



    This statement seems meaningless. Fine china, Crystal , soft leather, fine silk clothes ect, are all more fragile, have more "issues" & cost more than the low cost "more durable" less "problematic" plastic & polyester junk that you can get at a Walmart. Big deal.
    Paulson chips are not "fragile" by any reasonable definition, let alone "too" fragile!
    None of that means anything. You can play poker with 11.5gr , 20 cent retail, plastic-coated iron discs now if you want.
     
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  10. joepro

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    I only dislike the price, but paulsons are the real deal, the fine wine, the ferrari, the holy grail. You get what you pay for. The "softness" is what makes them so nice to handle. The color transfer is a by product of the softness.

    As far as the dirtiness factor, I think paulson addressed this when they acquired bud jones (i think i have the story right.) My understanding is that some casinos like borgata wash their bud jones chips so they don't have scummy poker scum all over them. I will agree with op that this can be annoying, but in my home games, they don't get that dirty.

    Basically you can bash any luxury company as being overpriced. A timex will keep time as well as a rolex, right?
     
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    I think you should at least play in 1 poker game using paulson chips before forming such strong opinions. I'd love to hear what you think.

    A long time ago, I said to myself, "Self, lets get some real poker chips for the game." I spent much time figuring out what my pre-conceived notion of a real chip was... it was a paulson. The chip used in 85% of casinos. The chips I had used in Vegas, Reno, and Laughlin. So thats what I use. A real poker chip.
     
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    Using the Ferrari analogy, if someone said I could buy a car for $300,000 and it will be the nicest looking, sounding, feeling, and driving car out there PLUS it will last forever and never need maintenance--that's pretty sweet and should rightfully be the holy grail of most car enthusiasts. But that's not the case. Maintenance is very expensive, parts are harder to come by than most brands, and the tires will need to be replaced quite often. One could argue that burning through tires is just a byproduct of the performance of the car (which, admittedly, is sweet) just like color-transfer is a byproduct of the softness (and by extension, the "sound") of Paulsons. Maintenance on clays is different than on slugged plastic, and rightfully so--it's already been mentioned that cleaning and oiling clays are a labor of love. LIkewise I don't expect brake shoes for a 599 to be the same as those for a Lexus. Cost? That's all about the law of diminishing returns.

    So, is a Ferrari worth the money? IMO--absolutely and I would love to do so someday (in my dreams). BUT, I still think it's a valid argument to point out that for the price of a Ferrari there should be little or no compromises. For example, why can't they make tires that last longer? Or let's say there's another car out there that costs about the same as a Ferrari, looks just as good, feels just as good, has similar performance (but not the F1 pedigree, so the performance does indeed lag a bit), but the main drawback is that they don't have the Ferrari "feel" and the engine definitely doesn't sound the same.

    Well, Aston Martin engines don't sound as good as Ferraris (subjective, I know, but many car enthusiasts would admit this) just like it's been argued that ASM & BCC don't sound as good as Paulsons, but they have similar looks and performance (even if they're not identical). Then let's say the Aston Martins can be customized inside and out with any color, fabric, wheels, etc. while the Ferrari only comes in two colors and one choice of leather; the tires on the Aston Martin last a lot longer than the Ferraris (not true, I know, but for the sake of argument I'll give it a pass); and you can get a brand new Aston Martin in 6-8 weeks instead of having to search ebay motors for a used Ferrari because the waiting list for brand new ones is--oh, say--100,000 customers long. That's really what it comes down to for me: do I want my own custom-made--my name engraved on the sill-plate--svelte Aston Martin or somebody else's old Ferrari?

    (anybody seen my flame suit lately? :wink:)
     
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    Paulsons bore me.
     
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    Let me restate, else someone goes apoplectic.

    39mm Paulson GPI SHC's, RHC's and LHC's bore me.

    If someone shipped me a DeepStack Extravaganza set of 43mm inlaid Paulson IHC's I may reconsider my heresy.
     
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    Thanks for posting the dictionary link, now I can impress my friends! :happy:
     
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    I'm such a dweeb
     
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    I interviewed the cadre of American scientists and got the following official response:

    "We were going to work on curing cancer, colonizing Mars, protecting the Earth's atmosphere, and other initiatives...but hey, if you guys want a better poker chip, we'll get right on that. I've got two Nobel laureates in astrophysics and chemical engineering that I was going to use for a different project, but frankly, nobody here can believe that you don't use Paulsons. So we're going to see if we can fix that".
     
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