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Why I dislike Paulson poker chips

Discussion in 'Poker Chip Care' started by jriffel, Jun 22, 2009.

  1. jriffel

    jriffel Well-Known Member

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    Following are the reasons that I greatly dislike Paulson chips. I will try to keep emotion out of my reasons. Responses, please also keep emotion to a minimum.
    1) PAULSON CHIPS ARE OVERPRICED. I have seen prices greatly exceeding $1.00 US for each chip. There has got to be 10c of material, 5c create/process, 10c printing, 5c overhead in each chip. This comes to 30c/chip MAXIMUM. The Paulson company is making buttloads of profits off of all you loyal buyers.
    2) PAULSON CHIPS ARE TOO FRAGILE. I have seen many threads about gouges, chiped chips, color transfers between chip colors. The responses indicate that these issues are simply accepted.
    3) PAULSON CHIPS ARE DIRT/GRIME MAGNETS. I have a few samples and have also used many casino chips. Casino don't clean their chips very often. These chips seem to get dirtier faster than any other chip. There is no easy way to clean a thousand chips.
    4) PAULSON CHIPS MUST BE OILED OFTEN TO LOOK THEIR BEST. This should be done before shipping from Paulson. Paulson should come up with a method to re-oil if you guys are simply going to accept this fact of ownership. There is currently no easy way to oil a thousand chips.
    5) COLOR CHOICES ARE LIMITED. Come on people, there are nearly infinite color choices possible on the color wheel. Look at what others are offering. Limiting colors is a political choice, not a reality.

    Now I must add some portion of emotion to this rant on Paulson chips.
    I go back to number 1)PAULSON CHIPS ARE OVERPRICED!!!!!!!!!!!
    They may sound good when toddes onto the pile, but you've all been schnookered into buying the most expensive, not necessarily the best.
    For the price we should get better quality chips.

    OK, here I choose the fine Paulson company as the butt of my rant, but in fairness they are not the only chip manufacturers with these limitations.

    End of bile.
     
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  2. SoDamnRed

    SoDamnRed Well-Known Member

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    So what chips do you like?
     
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  3. mipevi

    mipevi Well-Known Member

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    Theez r th3 shizznit! No oil required, yo.

    [​IMG]

    Blurg? :razz:
     
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  4. jdunford

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    $1/chip is still cheaper than (or at least comparable to) custom spotted/inlaid BCC or ASM chips. If it costs 30¢/chip to make, plus accounting for chips that don't meet quality control, it's not unreasonable to expect them to sell to retailers at about 60¢, and then retailers mark them up to $1.

    I've heard that casinos buy Paulsons for ~ 30¢-50¢ per chip, hence they make a profit when you take home a $1 chip (or 600 of them, as the case may be) as a souvenir - and much more if you collect "limited edition" $5s from the Palms, for example.

    I have to agree on this point. I like that BCC chips are very durable, and even my ASMs (at least the brass bases) are more durable than any Paulsons I've handled. I especially find the RH&C and Paulson advertising molds to be fragile where the hats come closest to the edge. That's partly a flaw in mold design, but my BCCs and ASMs definitely don't get flea bits like Paulsons.

    (Some of my Samurais have little gauges out of the edges, but they've seen a lot of action, been dropped on the floor a few times, etc. And ASM 44-mm can fracture pretty easily.)

    Yep, very true.

    I have to disagree here. New Paulsons generally don't need oil at all - at least, not nearly as badly as BCC or ASM (or TRKing) chips. If you've just cleaned some nasty used casino chips, sure, then they might need oil, but you can't blame the Paulson factory for that one.

    :huh:

    Recent home-market Paulsons are limited to a few combinations, but even those are comprised of quite a few different colours. If you go back to older home-market Paulsons (from when their retail store existed), there are quite a few colours and combinations that have sadly been retired. And if you look at all the casino Paulsons out there, Paulson definitely has the widest variety of colours and spot combinations available.
     
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  5. Nexttime

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    ohhhh.. I like those.. are they official 11.5 grams?
     
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    hmmmmmmm, not sure I get this one :sorry:
     
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    1) Some sort of PROOF please. If this is an objective argument, you'd be better of by offering something to back it up. I agree that they're expensive, but still... PROVE IT :)

    2) At least for home Paulsons... AGREED

    3) Same as above... AGREED

    4) Not too sure about this one :huh:

    5) Paulsons profit comes from casinos. Casinos need their chips to be secure, so Paulson doesn't use same color/spot combos twice. And if by more color choices you mean the entire spectrum... well that's where economical feasibility kicks in... hard.

    End of brain activity :cigar:
     
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    Time for another GROUP BUY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:
     
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    5000 chips per hour isn't an easy way to clean a thousand chips??
    http://www.dolphinproducts.com.au/02_products/023_gaming/0234_chip_washing.htm

    Did you do any research at all on WHY this is? If you had, you'd find that the reason is simple - security. They will not make 2 chips with the same color/pattern for different customers. Casinos are their customers, home users are NOT. We don't matter to their bottom line, so we get stuck with whatever they choose to give us. And before you ask, no, 100,000 home chip orders are not significant when casinos order millions. Some colors look awful together, some have so little contrast as to be meaningless, some are too close in shade to others, so the palette grows more & more limited quickly. I'd rather have the choice of a couple of good looking sets than 100 crappy one with a kaleidoscope of colors.
     
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    I believe this to be by design. I call them wear indicators.
     
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  11. StevenH72

    StevenH72 Creativity Alliance

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    Whether they need to be oiled or not to look their best is moot imo.

    I am going to compare this to cricket, when I get a new bat, I have to "kncok it in" for 4 hours, with a wooden mallet to compress the soft wooden fibres and improve the bats performance, then apply a couple o coats of linseed oil, to stop the bat becoming too dry and "cracking".

    Whilst to you this may appear like a chore, I think it is the character associated with these items, to me knocking in a bat or oiing chips purely adds to the excitement of getting a new toy, and memories I have of it are happy/ joyful ones. I have never had my chips delievered on the day of a game, so oiling them gives me an axcuse to play with them for extended periods of time before "regular" use.

    Just my $0.02 on the matter.

    As for the other points, the limited colours for home game chips is to protect the "security" of casino chips, hence increasing the prestige associated with Paulson, and upping their desirability.

    If they offered all colours, all spot patterns, then there would be nothing special about any new set.

    Price = simple demand & supply, you don't wanna pay it then dont, many people will, again helping Paulson's reputation, in keeping the chip supply somewhat limited.
     
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  12. jtlee

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    1) PAULSON CHIPS ARE OVERPRICED - Buy them used. You can get them for $.50 - $.75 all the time
    2) PAULSON CHIPS ARE TOO FRAGILE - what are you, throwing them across the room? They don't break if you don't abuse them
    3) PAULSON CHIPS ARE DIRT/GRIME MAGNETS - you don't have to clean them often in normal home game use, it's not like a casino where they go through hundreds of hands a day
    4) PAULSON CHIPS MUST BE OILED OFTEN TO LOOK THEIR BEST - they don't need to be oiled at all - that's personal preference. They only need to be oiled if they've just been cleaned
    5) COLOR CHOICES ARE LIMITED - I will agree on this point, but how many colors do you need? There are 6 home Paulson choices (World, Classic, Pharoah, National Poker Series, James Bond, Le Paulson Noir) but a myriad of casino and older fantasy Paulson sets available on the used market

    But bottom line is, NOTHING feels and sounds like a Paulson. I have had/played every kind of chip and my favorite is still a Paulson (Le Paulson Noir, personally - and that mold doesn't attract as much dirt as a TH&C). I love my BCC heavy weights (High Rollers), but they cost almost as much as Paulsons. I've never held an ASM I love (to much high frequency clack - sound is really important to me) and while I love the flexibility of ceramic, I hate they way they feel/sound/stack.
     
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    Don't buy them then.

    This is the same as comparing GM to Ferrari, if you want cheap junk buy the chinese knock offs.
    If you want casino quality, you pay for it.
    There are no cheap chips out there that compare to any real "clay" chip.
    If you want the real thing you pay for it.

    Just because you want something doesn't mean it should be cheap enough that you can afford it.
     
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    I have two sets, and I still want more! Paulson chips are yummy!
     
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  15. abby99

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    There's a chip for every taste and budget.

    "Official casino weight" 11.5g chips are inexpensive, virtually indestructible, and easily cleaned, and they don't need to be oiled. However, the available colors and patterns are somewhat limited. Four out of five conditions satisfied. To each his own.

    I can hardly wait to get home from work so that I can gaze upon my collection of expensive, fragile, dirty, unoiled Paulsons. :)
     
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  16. toad94

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    I think Jriffel's intent was to rant for a moment about Paulson's reputation not necessarily living up to the reality and then back it up with a few observations--and I tend to agree if we focus mostly on current retail Paulsons.

    I agree with the overpriced part, especially when you take the customs-not-available aspect into account. High-demand sets like Crystal Park and PNY can sometimes cost $2-3/chip even for low denoms and the high denoms can go through the roof for playable chips. Retail sets like Pharaohs, Top Hat, & Noirs are nice, have nice colors, nice inlays (on the Pharaohs & Noirs at least), and sound good. BUT, I'm not fond of the mold on the Noirs and the "PAULSON CHIPS" mold on the others might as well say "HOYLE INTERLOCKING" for as classy as that is. :stunned: It's true that custom ASMs and BCCs cost more than some Paulsons, but the color combos aren't set to around 18 choices, the minimum isn't 100,000 chips, and you get to use your own artwork.

    Not that security should be a big issue if you trust the people you play recreational games with, but with retail Paulsons anybody out there can purchase the same chips, right? That fact alone could offset the extra money required for ASM & BCC customs in my opinion.

    As desirable as a custom set of Paulsons is, retail Paulsons just don't do it for me and as cool as some of the casino sets are (the MGM sets CTers have come to mind) the price often outweighs the coolness of "real" Paulsons. That's the point of the OP, I think--Paulsons are oftentimes seen as the holy grail of chips. I would clarify that custom casino Paulsons--from ten years ago--are the holy grail of chips. :cool:
     
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    Different strokes man! I'll keep my Paulsons and you can have whatever makes you happy.
     
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    Dude, this is a little elitist don't you think? The Chinese compression clays are not junk by any means - I loved my Dunes Compression clays and for the price they were amazing. If they weren't 40mm, I would have kept them (I'm picky like that).

    As for the GM/Ferrari thing, that's a touch extreme - more like I think Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan/Infiniti. Both get the job done but one is just bit nicer for 50% more cost. I personally think you would have to be a complete retard to buy a Ferrari even if you had money to burn, but that's just IMO.
     
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    Josh Second best Josh on CT.
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    oh lordy.
     
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    I totaly agree, why get a Ferrari when you can get a Porsche:wink:

     
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