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Why are there so few T500's in WSOP starting stacks?

Discussion in 'Chip Breakdowns' started by Couga, Dec 20, 2014.

  1. Couga

    Couga Creativity Alliance

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    Hi all,

    Anyone know why there are only 2x 500 chips in the WSOP starting stacks? The starting stack breakdown is: 25x8 100x8 500x2 1000x8 5000x4.

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    In all the other events the 500 chip is always the least represented. Any ideas or is anyone ITK of such things?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. gf10

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    It's because regardless of what you bet, you never need more than a single $500 chip to complete that bet amount.

    Say you bet $1000 - you use 1x$1000 chip.
    $1500 - 1x$1000 + 1x$500
    $2000 - 2x$1000
    $2500 - 2x$1000 + 1x$500

    You never need to use more than one $500 chip at a time so thus it's quantity is the least.
     
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  3. Couga

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    Well then. That explains that. Thanks!
     
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  4. cdnmoose

    cdnmoose Well-Known Member

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    Not really needed until the antes and by that time lots of people are busto so there are enough in play.
     
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  5. BGinGA

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    With a T1000 chip in play, the value of a T500 chip is diminished. Never need to use two T500 chips, for example, so fewer are needed initially.


    However, sets that use a T2000 chip rely much more heavily on T500 chips, and they should be represented in starting stacks accordingly.
     
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  6. hugowolf

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    Same goes for cash games, there is an awkward break: $1, $5, $100, $500, $1000, $5000, etc.

    Mostly it is 4x or 5x the previous value, but you are really starting again at t1000.
     
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  7. JeromyinWV

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    You could go from from 500 to 2,500 and then 10,000 and it would play ok but it's easier to fix it early on and just double the progression from 500 to 1000 and go ever 4 or 5 from there and make it nice and even.
     
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    Someone (BG, I think) once floated the idea of going from 500 to 2000, and then I think to 10,000. Seemed to have very sound logic on the ease of play, etc.
     
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    I'm looking to get a dece
    set of chips for Christmas and have samples of Milanos, Pharaohs, and Dunes coming (along with Paulsons just to see what the fuss is about).





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  10. Bloody Marvellous

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    That's the beginning of the end. Don't do it mate! Don't do it!

    BTW, the WSOP ME starting stacks have been changed a few years ago to:

    12x T25
    12x T100
    3x T500
    12x T1,000
    3x T5,000
     
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  11. TexRex

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    I think it's because you don't need as many. For years, I did stacks of 12x25, 7x100, 4x500, 7x1000, 3x5000 for my T25,000 stacks. Then we got more players, and rather than get more chips, I went with 8x25, 8x100, 2x500, 3x1000, and 4x5000. Chip management became much simpler. I keep my chips in 4x25 boxes, so suddenly starting stacks were easy, and I didn't have to put it all together again for the next game. We had fewer chips on the table, but the same value. It seems to have sped up the game. Part of that was fewer chips to manage and color up, but I actually part of it encouraged players to bet more because of the perception of fewer chips equal less value, so we got to bigger bets earlier in the tournament. I can't prove that last part, but I do suspect it.

    We do find we are sometimes short of 1000s, but for a table of 10, 2 or 3 who turn in a 5K for 5x1000 solves that problem, but that comes up less than half the time.

    We found by the time we needed more 500s and 1000s, enough people had been eliminated for there to be enough.
     
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