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Two hands with big pairs

Discussion in 'Cash Game / Ring Game Advice' started by jmc, May 8, 2008.

  1. jmc

    jmc Well-Known Member

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    The game is 5/10c NL w/ $10 stacks. Players tend to be a little on the loose side, but are capable of making decent reads and laydowns/value bets/bluffs as appropriate. I am "hero" in one of the following hands and my friend is "hero" in the other. We'd (as a group) would probably be able to hold our own in a 1/2NL casino game (i know, it's not saying much).

    Would you guys play either hand differently?

    Hand #1: (first hand of cash game for the night)
    3 limpers
    Button (hero) raises to 35c w/ QQ
    SB folds
    BB calls
    3 limpers call -- $1.80 in the pot

    Flop is Jh Th 7d
    BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP bets 75c, fold, hero raises to $1.5
    BB reraises to $3, MP folds, hero pushes all-in

    MP tends to be somewhat loose preflop, but seems to be experienced at cash games. She also tends to play straightforward postflop.

    BB tends to play tighter OOP and a little looser in position. It's hard to put him on a hand here, except it's probably not QQ+/AK.

    Hand #2: $10 stacks, about 1.5hrs later
    UTG limps, hero raises to 50c w/ AA, MP calls, button (MP from previous hand) calls, blinds fold, UTG calls.
    4 players and $2.10 in the pot.

    Flop: 9 7 2 rainbow
    UTG leads for $1, hero calls $1, MP folds, button raises to $3
    UTG folds, hero pushes all in

    Button could possibly have 68 or T8 here, but it's unlikely. Given the bet and call, it's probably best to call getting 4:1 and position. A9/K9 might be possible as well, but I'd expect button to call with these hands (instead of raising). 97/ 99/77/22 and overpairs are probably the most likely hands the button would have.
     
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    Sneds Well-Known Member

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    Are we to assume that everybody has $10 exactly?
     
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    luckychick Creativity Alliance

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    I would have raised a lot more on the flop. Pots is 1.80, multiway, and MP is betting somewhat small. Board is well co-ordinated with a lot of draws. I would raise to about $3.

    As played, if BB is really that tight, I have to think pretty hard about BB's min c/r, and what it means. It's a little weird, and sort of smells like a set, although a big draw is possible here too. Obviously 89 is the nuts, which maybe he calls with out of the BB if he thinks he can get paid, and I can see him wanting to bet out MP as with her smallish bet a draw seems pretty likely. A weak player could have AJ here, but given your preflop raise/flop raise, a good player should be getting rid of it, I think? This is all assuming the BB is as tight as you say. Against a LAG I'm gleefully pushing money into the pot. Honestly, I would strongly consider folding here, but possibly just smooth call and re-evaluate the turn, and push a blank.

    Really, you haven't shown very much aggression in this hand up until your push. Your are so far ahead of the buttons range that it's ridiculous. With your shallow $10 stacks, a push seems entirely reasonable. If you get beat (y something like a set) shrug it off and load up again.
     
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    Firstly post-flop I would probably more than min-raise MP's flop bet, and after seeing the BB check/raise and bet and a raise, I'd probably fold.

    second hand seems ok.
     
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  5. jmc

    jmc Well-Known Member

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    In hand #1, it's the first hand of the night, and everyone bought in for $10, so yes, all stacks are $10.

    In hand #2, hero has about $10 (maybe like $10.50) and both opponents have him covered.
     
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  6. Harlequin011

    Harlequin011 Sin City Showdown Host

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    pretty important to consider is what everyone thinks of you.

    Do these players play with you or the other hero very much? I'm guessing so. So what would they say about your play? Are you LAG, TAG, about the same as the BB in first hand?

    I'll assume your more TAG since your studying up and posting your hands. Although I do that and I'm LAG/Maniac. :wink:

    Anyway...

    I don't mind the Pre-flop raise, I may have bet a shade more.

    Not digging the flop raise. A min raise is giving new betters 2:1 to call and the MP 3:1. As it stands you got re-popped. If you had raised more you would be able to evaluate the strength of the other's hand. That being said he is giving you 3:1 to call with his re-raise.

    Not sure on figuring his range but having three reasonable straight flush draws and an existing straight is ugly. He may have the straight, or something like AJ. Either way you probably have him now and the money in the pot is forcing our all in. I'm calling and reaching for another $10 bill in case he hits his draw, or rivers his kicker.
     
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    Hero #1 is capable of playing either TAG or LAG. He tends to start TAGish at the beginning of a cash game.
    Hero #2 has been very quiet this cash game, and typically plays a TAGish style. After 1.5 hrs, this is roughly the 5th hand he's played (not counting blinds).

    Oh, and unlike most nights, we're actually playing 9-handed.
     
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    For those that are curious:

    My friend was "hero" in hand #1 -- I thought his preflop raise was a little small given that 3xBB raises tend to have a pot-sweetener effect at our games. 50~60c probably would have been more appropriate. BB actually had JT and my friend didn't suck out.

    I played hand #2 -- I thought a 50c raise was about the right size, but somehow ended up getting 3 callers. Given that the button had been fairly straightforward in her betting, I knew there was a decent chance she might actually have a set, but couldn't get away from the AA. In fact, she did have 22 for bottom set.
     
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