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Discussion in 'Tournament Structures' started by image, May 27, 2015.

  1. image

    image Well-Known Member

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    So... I have a tourney set that was designed to handle up to 50 players. But the tourney this weekend has 65 positive responses. So... we need to rework at the last minute. Help!

    Here's the set:
    400 (25)s
    500 (100)s
    200 (500)s
    300 (1000)s
    200 (5000)s
    200 (25000)s
    100 (100000)s
    60 (250000)s
    40 (500000)s

    So, we need a starting stack, add on amount, and blind structure for 65 players with rebuys for the first hour or so (don't expect more than 10% with this group) and one add on. We need the tournament to end in around 3.5 or 4 hours. There are some rookie players, so a chipstack that only has 4 (25)s in it may be troublesome, but I don't see any other way out. We do not need to use the 25s if another starting stack and blind structure will work.

    Anyone want to come to the rescue?

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. BGinGA

    BGinGA Banned

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    Tough, but not impossible. Starting with only 4x of your smallest denomination is far from optimal, but there is nothing special about using round numbers for starting stacks (which is what drives that 4x number). Using a starting stack size that allows you to maximize the use of your available chips will help a lot. Based on that concept, here's my recommendation (given your limitations and restrictions):

    65 x T10350 starting stacks (6xT25, 7xT100, 3xT500, 3xT1000, 1xT5000)
    9 x T10000 re-buy stacks (5xT1000, 1xT5000)
    53 x T10000 add-on stacks (2xT5000) ~OR~ 65 x T5000 add-on stacks (1xT5000)

    The following chip set is required:
    390 x T25
    455 x T100
    195 x T500
    296 x T1000 (includes 56x to color-up T25/T100 chips and 45x for re-buys)
    94 x T5000 (includes 20x to color-up T500 chips, leaving up to 106x extras for add-ons)
    6 X T25000*
    * not really required, but you may want to exchange for 150 x T1000 chips late in the event

    Use this 104BB blind structure:

    rd sb bb
    L1 50 100
    L2 75 150
    L3 100 200
    L4 150 300
    REMOVE T25 CHIPS
    L5 200 400
    L6 300 600
    L7 400 800
    L8 600 1200
    BREAK
    L9 800 1600
    L10 1200 2400
    L11 1800 3600
    L12 2500 5000
    REMOVE T100 & T500 CHIPS
    L13 4000 8000
    L14 6000 12000
    L15 8000 16000
    L16 12000 24000
    ESTIMATED TOURNEY END
    L17 18000 36000
    L18 25000 50000
    L19 40000 80000
    L20 60000 120000

    With 15-minute blind levels, the tournament will last around 4 hours plus breaks (likely 3 x 10 minutes each). Each 1-minute reduction in the blind level times will shorten the event by approximately 15 minutes. If you absolutely need to be done in 4 hours total, I'd go with 13-minute levels from start to finish, and keep the three breaks restricted to 10-minutes each.
     
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    Thanks BG! You're a wizard!
     
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  4. BGinGA

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    Thanks. A hidden bonus of those starting stack is that they each consist of 20 chips. You can pre-rack all of your starting stacks (five to a rack) and be ready to go on tourney day.
     
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    I have an alternate suggestion (because the T10,350 starting stack bugs me).

    Since it's a rebuy tournament, starting off with 50BBs is more than enough (though that will mean likely mean more rebuys).

    10 startingstacks of 10,000:
    5x 100 (50 chips)
    3x 500 (30 chips)
    3x 1,000 (30 chips)
    1x 5,000 (10 chips)
    +
    20 startingstacks of 10,000:
    5x 100 (100 chips)
    5x 500 (100 chips)
    2x 1,000 (40 chips)
    1x 5,000 (20 chips)
    +
    35 startingstacks of 10,000 (5 of these stacks per table):
    10x 100 (350 chips)
    2x 500 (70 chips)
    3x 1,000 (105 chips)
    1x 5,000 (35 chips)

    Needed for startingstacks:
    100 (500 chips, 0 left)
    500 (200 chips, 0 left)
    1,000 chips (175 chips, 125 left)
    5,000 chips (65 chip, 135 left)

    Rebuys and add-ons of 10,000:
    Total of 80 available (using 1,000 and 5,000 chips)
    25x (5x 1,000 & 1x 5,000)
    55x (2x 5,000)
    By the time you run out of rebuys/add-ons, you can start coloring up the large stacks with 25,000 chips.

    15 min Blinds:
    100/200
    100/300
    200/400
    300/600
    Break - End rebuys and allow 1 add-on
    400/800
    600/1,200
    800/1,600
    - remove 100 -
    1,000/2,000
    Break
    1,500/3,000
    - remove 500 -
    2,000/4,000
    3,000/6,000
    4,000/8,000
    Break
    6,000/12,000
    8,000/16,000
    10,000/20,000
    15,000/30,000 <== Ends here at 20 rebuys/add-ons
    Break
    20,000/40,000 <== Ends here at 50 rebuys/add-ons
    30,000/60,000 <== Ends here at 80 rebuys/add-ons
    40,000/80,000 <== Ends here at 150 rebuys/add-ons
    60,000/120,000 <== Ends here at 250 rebuys/add-ons

    In reality the tournament will likely end two levels before the level indicated here, since they're likely amateurs, and will get it all-in before they're shortstacked.
     
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    Thanks Bloody! The guy I'm running this tournament with couldn't get over the 10350 stack either, so we'll be running something very close to what you laid out.
     
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    Dunno... the perfect barrel stacks is a win IMHO, and this alone would get me over the odd amount.
     
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    abby99 Admin / Chip Magpie
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    Agreed. There's nothing inherently wrong with an unusual amount.
     
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    You're suffering from a lack of OCD then :)
     
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    Are you saying I lack chip OCD??? Bwaa haa haa!!!! I'm in denial, and even I admit I have bad OCD when it comes to chips..

    Exhibit A

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    Chips arranged for players awaiting to arrive (and I cringe at noticing that the furthest stacks are slightly askew):

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  11. BGinGA

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    And any seriously afflicted person knows that it's CDO, with the damn letters in the right order.
     
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