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Showdown: SB first, or last aggressor?

Discussion in 'Cash Game / Ring Game Advice' started by jmc, Sep 8, 2008.

  1. jmc

    jmc Well-Known Member

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    Situation:
    Players A, B, C and D are in a pot. They see the flop and players A, B, and C check. Player D bets. A, B and C call.
    Turn and river go check/check/check... etc.

    By the rules, who shows first?
    If you play online, player A shows first.

    I've always thought that most poker rooms use the SB/worst position shows first if there is NO ACTION on the river. However, I emailed Mohegan Sun to see what their house rule was and I got a email back from Bruce Dixon, the director of poker operations:
    His answer was that the player with the last aggressive action (player D in this case) shows first.

    What's the rule at foxwoods?
    Atlantic City?
    Vegas?
    Cali?

    Side note for Mohegan Sun:
    Cash on the table plays in limit games. But not in small stakes no-limit games. $100 bills play in 10/20 NL (and above) though.
     
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  2. miandsh2000

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    IIRC, according to RROP first to act is, if there no aggressive action. if agg. action, aggressor shows first.

    in all cases, probably winner should show first.

    cant cite the section at this time.

    not sure about specific house rules of the places you mentioned.
     
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  3. jmc

    jmc Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, you are correct. Robert's rules states this and I'm aware of it. I'm interested in what the rule is for casinos and live card rooms in general.
     
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  4. luckychick

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    I think this is one of those rules that varies from place to place. I believe that at Bay101 in Cali it would be player A (or sb) but here in Edmonton it's the last aggressor, even on previous streets - but they grossly misinterpret lots of rules (imo). I can't remember what it is at the places in Vegas because if I'm involved I will often just flip over my hand regardless of position to move the game along.
     
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  5. abby99

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    No surprise that luckychick would follow good etiquette by showing the likely winning hand in order to move the game along. Props to LC!
     
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    Locally, in Vancouver area, the dealers just ask players to flip their card over. If it does come to the crunch where no ones wants to open first, it would be from the sb if everyone checked on the river.

    I agree that if you think you have winner, flip it open first.
     
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    At the Gateway Casinos (Starlight and Cascades), in a cash game, they will make both players open their hands if there is an allin, even if it is not on the river. Great Canadian use the sb shows first rule.
     
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  8. luckychick

    luckychick Creativity Alliance

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    Hell, I'll flip over my losing hand. Declare "I have jack high."

    One of my favourite stories:

    I was playing (drunken) 3/6 at the Mirage a couple years ago. I was on the button with suited connectors and limped into a 6 way pot. Flopped a flush draw on a AK8 board, called one bet; turn was a K, checked around; river an 8, checked to me on the button. I flip over my hand and say, "I play the board" IN ORDER around the table, SB folds, BB folds, UTG flips over his hand, says "Me too", UTG+1 folds, and UTG+2 sits there looks at the board, looks at his hand, looks at the BB, looks at my hand. I can see has has JT because his hand is almost flipped over, but not tabled. Dealer is waiting patiently, not saying anything. After about 15s I sigh and say, "Table your hand". He does, and dealer splits the pot three ways. Then the SB asks "What won?"
     
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  9. JM

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    HUH?? So if I buy $100 in chips from you in a small stakes NL game, you can pocket it? :huh:
     
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  10. jldecarlo

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    So, drunk, you're better than the 3/6 players at the Mirage. No surprise there.

    First to act is first to show without a river bet. I've never played anywhere that was different, although, of course, local cardrooms sometimes have apalling takes on the rules.

    Off the subject, but I struggle constantly with the guys who usually play cash when there's an all-in in my home tourney. "For God's sake, you HAVE to show your hand. Stop stalling and show the darned thing."


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  11. jmc

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    Don't think they'd allow you to buy chips from other players in this case.

    I donno, that's what the poker director told me, maybe they'll change the rules if people complain.
     
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    Ah ok, that makes sense then. I had another player buy chips from me at foxwoods once and I didn't realize I was supposed to leave the cash on the table. Went to put it in my pocket and got scolded lol.
     
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