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Short Buy Ins = More Fun?

Discussion in 'Cash Game / Ring Game Advice' started by SteveA, Apr 5, 2009.

  1. SteveA

    SteveA Well-Known Member
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    My group usually buys in to our no limit cash game with $20 and 80BB's.

    A while ago I played at a friends house where we bought in for $20 and 40 BB's and it seemed a lot less serious and a lot more fun.

    For those of you that play short buy in cash games...is it usually like this?

    Thx,
     
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    At my game people can buy-in with 40-400BBs. Personally I don't see anything fun about shortstacking, I prefer 100BBs and up. :)
     
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    I'm not sure if more fun is the right word...

    I think it is FUNNER! :)

    Seriously though, we play .25/50 with a buy in of $20. I'm not sure if it is just my group, but they all know how to play poker (and relatively well), but some of them play the craziest hands. It makes me feel like we aren't playing for enough money (it doesn't matter if they lose, they can just reload). We often have 7 or 8 guys playing cash and finish with about $300 - $400 on the table when we finish. We all play seriously and want to win. I've never played a normal stack with them (except for tourneys - which is a different game in itself).
     
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    A group I used to play with capped the buy in at $40.00 $1-2 nl CRAZY game.20BB
    The problem was you would have nits that got up and would sell chips in essence going south with their winnings. If the nits were up early it wasn't as much fun vs a loose passive player having the chips cause you know he would keep the cash in play.

    Not to mention that all rebuys should have been from the chip box to keep all the chips/ money in play.


    I tried explaining to the group about the 100BB but they all said they like it the way it is. I even brought Dunes compression .25/50 chips to extend the BB for $40 buy in but that only last 1 session. That extended the $40 buy in into 80BB but they couldn't wrap their heads around the concept of playing poker.
    It's a soft game with lots of limping.
    Good luck
     
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  5. SteveA

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    Your group sounds like the same kind of group as mine.

    Because we all know how to play, and we know that a 40BB buy in is stupid, I think it may encourage people to play to have fun and not take it as serious as our 80BB game.

    BTW our 80BB game plays effectively the same as, or maybe even deeper than, our local 100BB casino games. I believe this is the case because opening raises at our local casino is at least 5 or 6 times the BB, and at our home game, they are 3 or 4 times the BB.
     
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    Our standard raises seem to be in the 2-3 times the BB, although it can get bumped up a bit more with a real legitimate hand (or someone acting like they have a real legitimate hand...)
     
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    One of the "funnest" games I've ever played in was 0.05/0.10 NLHE with a $5 buy-in, with a group of graduate students who played after the weekly colloquium. It was all about the poker (not about the money), and the students weren't risking money they needed for food.

    Based on my experience, I think that the "fun" element has more do with the stakes (affordability) and less with the size of the buy-in in terms of the BB. Most important, however, is to play with fun people. :)
     
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    I've never had fun in a 20bb buy in unless it was limit, but I guess it depends on the players and how LAG the game itself turns into.
     
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  9. Captn_All_In

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    My Thursday night game is just getting around to starting again....that is the most fun I have ever had....for get this......$2.

    Two bucks gets you $20 worth of chips and we play .05¢/.10¢ blinds when we play hold em or dealer's choice with many split games or lots of non poker type games. So, its basically penny poker with better chips. Is the poker good...not as good as the 10¢/25¢ game on Full Tilt, but its a hell of a lot better than the .01¢/.02¢ game on there.

    Speaking of which....is it Thursday yet??:cool:
     
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  10. VARoadstter

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    It all depends on how you quantify fun, I suppose. When I play, I prefer that the everyone is within their means financially so lower stakes games help in that regard. I personally prefer poker that has more strategic decisions than a 20-40 bb game offers. That's not to say I don't play them (I do) but I would definitely take a 100BB+ game over the short games. Ideally, I would like a game to have people sitting with 250BB or so. They do happen, but only after some bustouts and rebuys.

    Maybe it's the people you play with in the short games that make it more fun for you.
     
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  11. Vince

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    You guys should draw a clear line between stacksize and limits.

    If you play with a shortstack in a certain limit, you pretty much corner your range of starting hands because you kill your own pot odds.

    I can only recommend to always buy in for the max to get the maximum value for your hands.

    IF you really wanna have fun and just play, lower the limit and play full or even deep stacks.

    For example, if your homegame has concerns about the money in a .25/.50 game and for that reason only play for $20.
    Lower the stakes to 0.05/0.10 and play fullstacked for $10. So you even have a rebuy left.
     
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    The game I play is 25¢/50¢ NL. $30 starting stacks (60BB?) with fixed $30 reloads if you get down to $5 or less in chips. There's plenty of action and everyone has fun without losing the mortagage payment.
     
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    a lot of people here seem to be discussing short-stacking in terms of losing less money, I agree with Vince if you want to lose less, lower the limits and keeop the buy-ins the same.

    I play a 10p/25p game with £10-£50 buy-ins, if people want to play short they can, if people want to play deep they can.

    I normally get 1 £10er, most are between £30-50 range.

    I prefer gamnes deep stacked, nobody likes going bust, even if it is only for $20 rather than $100.

    I say lower the limits and play deep stacked.
     
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    Our weekly game is more about hangin with friends and drinking good beer that actual poker play.:) 10c/20c $10 buy in.
     
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    I tried to play a 20.00 game one time and it was the most god awful poker game ever. I don't care if you break it into 20 BB or 100 BB the main factor is 20.00 buy in and people were moving in all the time because its 20.00 bucks.:laugh:

    I host a game that is 1-2 NL 200.00 buy in and it is better its still loose but players think twice if you move all in with a couple hundred behind you.
     
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  16. Captn_All_In

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    What kind of income do you and your friends have that tossing bets of $20 around is no big deal???
     
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    I used to host a friendly .50/1 NLHM neighborhood game where everyone bought in for $40 max. After awhile I didn't like it that it was only 40BB and I tried convincing the group to consider a $20 min-$100 max buy in. Needless to say nobody wanted to change so it continued as everyone just bought in for $40 max. I tried to drop it down to $.25/$.50 but then people were complaining that we would be playing for quarters. I was just thrilled to be playing NLHM since the original game that was hosted by the group was Dealer's Choice before I moved to the neighborhood. The games that were called during the original Dealer's Choice games were horrible type games like everything is wild 5 of kind beats a Royal Flush type BS games. There were some good games, but there wasn't enough money on the table IMO with the $40 max buy in. My .50/1 game kinda broke up and then I found a more serious group that plays $1/$2 NLHM $40-$200 buyin. The $1/$2 game was wild where it wouldn't be uncommon to see triple straddles and many big pots. I haven't played in that $1/$2 game for awhile since my job situation isn't that stable and I lack the confidence in my play due to my job situation. If I had to pick which game I enjoyed more I say the $1/$2 with the choice to buy for 100BB which is the $200 max. If could get a .50/1 game going with $20/$100 I think I would enjoy that as well, but $40 40BB is too small to start IMO.
     
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    $25.00 buy in with two 25 cents blinds. Average raise preflop is 1.50 It makes for a fun game and you nor crippled if you take a beat.
     
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    The median income in Northern VA is around $105,000. I play in 1/2 and 2/3 or 2/5 games weekly. $20 is a standard opening bet and usually gets 2 or 3 callers. Definitely not a fan of short buy-in shove fests. I like to play poker. I like to compete at stakes which mean something to someone, where you can put them to a tough decision. Not putting down lower stakes at all, if that's within your means, but around here a 1/2 game $12 or 2/3 $20 preflop raise is average. We usually do a mandatory 100BB buy in. Someone is much less likely to call repeated gutshots for $300 than $10 or $20.
     
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