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Security in a casino cash set?

Discussion in 'Cash Game / Ring Game Advice' started by siNdreAd, Sep 4, 2008.

  1. siNdreAd

    siNdreAd Well-Known Member

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    So I've been bouncing around ideas on how you could get a casino cash set that is secure and would appreciate any input others have thought of.

    The thing is - the 1s are a lock to be secure because if it's a decent chip it's gonna cost around 1$ a chip to buy regardless, so there's no benefit to sneaking these into games.

    The same goes for fractionals.. people will actually lose money sneaking in fractionals that they bought for 1$ or so. You'd be more @ danger of people pocketing the chips for a quarter than having them sneak in chips to rob from the bank.

    So the real question to me is how do you get secure 5$ chips?

    The obvious way is to buy from a casino but I don't think paying 5$ per chip is reasonable, plus you will have to constantly make sure your chip is still current issue or you will lose a ton of $ and have an unsecure chip.

    Do you just label paulsons w. a similar design from your 1s/fractionals to make the 5$ chips. You could use a design that's similar but different enough to maintain security - but then your 1s/fractionals might look notably better.

    A custom set from asm or bcc but then you're mixing different chips?

    The same would go for other denominations like 25$.

    What do you guys think is the best way to do this?
     
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  2. siNdreAd

    siNdreAd Well-Known Member

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    Bump cause im really curious.
     
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    jamby Creativity Alliance

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    Go with retired/obsolete chips.
     
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    siNdreAd Well-Known Member

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    Probably as close as you can get.

    However want they either be @ least available in some quantity or super expensive?
     
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    jamby Creativity Alliance

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    Lots of Washington State chips available in decent quantities and reasonable prices. Then you've got the Dunes, Dorado Beach, Ambassador Plaza, Condado Beach, Aruba, Cerromar Beach, etc. options.
     
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    siNdreAd Well-Known Member

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    that's what I'm afraid of - they wont be very secure
     
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  7. Irish Se7en

    Irish Se7en Insane Irish
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    then buy a custom set:wink:
     
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    jamby Creativity Alliance

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    They're obsolete chips though so somebody would have to be into chips like you are and to even obtain them. Hopefully that would be a friendly and honest home game participant. :wink:
     
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    Another way to look at it......
    If a quarter "casino" chip costs you $1.50 then you are correct. No one is going to buy chips for $1.50 and sneak them in your game to use as quarters, so this SEEMS to be secure. Well...it isn't. How would you like to find 5 quarters MISSING after the game for a total loss of $7.50 (if you can find replacements and add shipping to that...$10-$14 loss)
    My point is that a chips cost may control people bringing chips in....it doesn't prevent them from taking them home.:mad: Yes..it happens.

    For the best security....custom chips sounds like the answer.
     
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  10. links_slayer

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    The only way to be 100% secure is to get customs.
     
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  11. mizuchaud

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    Or get Atlantic City $1's and $5's that will never lose value.
    Retired AC chips by law still are worth face value. (Unless the gaming commission agrees to take them off the list, like the recent rash of Playboy chips found in a hole in the ground).
     
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    I guess it is a difficult situation

    You want a chip that is cheap enough that if someone souveneers a few then you dont lose too many $ replacing them, a chip that isnt easily replicated so people cant bring their own $ to a game and I am sure you want a chip that looks and feels good to play with.

    I would suggest that ASM's with a custom hotstamp could meet the above criteria

    Custom hotstamp will make them secure, edgespots + hotstamp are only 75c each so they are reasonably inexpensive to replace if taken and A-mold/hourglass with edge spots and a nice hotstamp can look and feel very nice.
     
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  13. Dr Lecterr

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    My thought is that if you are very worried about security, you should be MORE worried about who is coming to your poker games.

    A custom set is the only way you will get complete security
     
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    I've posted a few times on this subject. I stand by what I said. Complete customs are the only way to go. Nexgens, PI clays, etc, won't cut it as even if you label them, people can order the same chips and slip them into their stack. Most of the 'local' games never use anything larger than a $5 anyways. People seem to like huge stacks of chips in front of them and even if a few $5 chips get slipped in, it's not a huge deal.
     
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    friendly home games with buddies won't need security.
     
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    Unless you're hosting some 5/10 NL game with $1000's on the tables, I'm pretty sure that retired casino $5's are going to be fine. Even then, the thieves would have to do some pretty hefty research/planning to buy and sneak them in.
     
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    I hope your friends know that you don't care if they sneak chips into your game.
     
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    And I was going to (I guess I still will) say, only invite players to your game(s) that you at least trust enough that they are not scheming how to rip you off for a few dollars each night.

    Now if you are playing with a bunch of strangers, and don't trust them at all, your options are these:

    1. Customs (as mentioned)
    They are not worth much of anything, anywhere other than at your table.

    2. Slowly increase your supply of real casino chips at the actual denoms.
    That way even if they are "snuck in" to your game, they are worth the $5 or $25 at the casino that they were purchased from if you need to turn them back in.

    If you are playing with these types of denominations on a regular basis, an investment in a good set of custom chips to use for the higher values will be worth your peace of mind.

    When we played at these levels (.50/$1 blinds; average player buy-in of $100) with my custom ASM's, I used to think to myself, "Well, if someone pockets a $5 (or $25) chip, the till should be $5 (or $25) over, and a new chip only costs me about $1 to replace, so in the end, I come out ahead."
     
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  19. palmimports

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    order customs from a vendor and ask them to UV mark them- either ceramics or inlays-

    For inlays with lamination its done ON THE VINYL then laminated- this way you cant remove the lamination without destroying the artwork

    I can tell you where to buy spectrum specific ink- get a stamp made and youre in business
     
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    We have some at work. I haven't used it because I do not want my players thinking I can mark chips......and/or maybe cards. :wink: I think you need to keep the word and or idea of "marked" out of your vocabulary during a poker game.
     
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