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Razz about Razz

Discussion in 'Dealer's Choice Games' started by Jonah 99, Sep 7, 2006.

  1. Jonah 99

    Jonah 99 Well-Known Member

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    I'm getting ready to introduce Razz to my home game.

    Any one have any thoughts or tips that may prove useful?

    :razz:

    FYI.
    Razz Rules:
    Dealt out like seven card stud, but lowest hand wins.
    A2345 is the nuts (straights and flushes don't count as high hands)
     
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    99%evil Banned

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    My only question on Razz is how do pairs count? (I know they're bad, but what about when 2 folks have pairs as part of their hand (6,6,6,2,8,7,7 against 2,2,A,A,9,10,2) I can read a straight hand, you start at the highest card and work down to determine a winner, but when there are multiple hands with pairs, I'm a bit lost. Not sure who wins...

    I know that 10,10,J,Q,K,A,K beats A,A,2,2,3,3,4

    But who wins this hand? A,A,2,3,5,5,5 vs. A,A,2,3,3,3,5 or is this a tie?

    I know multiple pair hands don't occur often, but I'd like to be able to make the proper call.

    You know, I guess I could google razz rules....
     
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  3. Strange

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    Lowest hand in the first case is a pair of 5's with a 3, 2 and A

    Lowest hand in the second case is a pair of 3's with a 5, 2 and A

    3's are lower than 5's, so the 3's win.

    also:

    "I know that 10,10,J,Q,K,A,K beats A,A,2,2,3,3,4"

    Doesn't look like it to me.....

    lowest hand for player 1 would be 10,10,j,q,k (10's)
    lowest hand for player 2 would be 2,2,3,4,a (2's)

    so the 2's win.


    i think :)
     
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    99%evil Banned

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    But couldn't you say they both have 5,3,2,A,A? With the aces being the low pair?
     
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    Strange Creativity Alliance

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    hmmmmm, a pair of aces be low?

    I knew I shouldn't have started this....LOL

    You might be right :)

    Edit: i think you are:

    2. The lowest hand wins the pot. Aces are low, and straights and flushes have no effect on the low value of a hand. The best possible hand is 5-4-3-2-A.

    Aces are always low it would appear.
     
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    A,A,2,3,3,3,5 would have a A,A,5,3,2
    A,A,2,3,5,5,5 would have a A,A,5,3,2

    So it would be a split pot.

    That being said, both of these hand suck, and if you are betting or calling with them you should not be playing Razz.

    ~dustin
     
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    99%evil Banned

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    No I wouldn't call with these hands, but I'm curious how a pair of aces goes from being low to hi? I'm looking at multiple sites for an answer. I like playing razz and would be out of a pot with multiple pairs, but before bringing razz to our regular game, I want the rules down pat in my head.

    Another for instance-
    A,3,4,5,5,5,5 vs. 2,2,2,8,9,10,2. I'm reading that the pair determines the low so the hand with 2's would win...but I'm not sure. I don't want to be in a game and not know how to properly call a hand, regardless if a person should be in a hand or not.
     
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  9. Strange

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    I'm pretty damn sure that the 2's win in this case.
     
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    I'm starting to figure this out.

    The pair is your hi, then your other cards
    for instance

    5,5,K,10,9
    beats
    6,6,5,3,A

    And it appears Aces are the lowest pair.
     
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    This is correct, I was wrong in my previous post. Aces are always low in Razz. I guess I should wait until I have had a least one cup of coffee before I start answering questions.
     
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    Thanks, at least I thin I've got the rules down. I could officiate a game now....and read the rules to my benefit.
     
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    I think you missed the card that would make player 1 the winner: the ace, which negates his pairs. Lowest hand for player 1 would be a-10-j-q-k.
     
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    Of Course!

    Straights don't count against the player, and aces are always low anyway....

    Wow this is hard.....LOL
     
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    That is correct.
     
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    I love Razz with a passion, but your sentence seems to describe 90% of the low-stakes people I play against online. Bless the little donkeys...
     
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    Bless me indeed. :)
     
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    evil, if your best 5 card hand includes a pair, you lose to ANY non-paired hand. This probably won’t come up. You would have to finish the hand with three pair before being forced to use one of them.
     
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    The best Razz "shortcut" I ever learned was this combination:

    1. the lowest high-card determines the winner, and where there is a tie for the lowest high card, you must use the next lowest high card, and so on until you determine a winner. Thus 3-4-5-6-8 defeats A-2-3-4-9; 2-3-4-6-9 defeats 2-3-4-7-9, etc.

    2. Aces are always low; aces paired are always lower than 2 through K paired

    3. A pair is considered a higher card than any unpaired card; thus, a pair of sixes is the high card of J-Q-K-6-6, which defeats a-2-3-7-7
     
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    Umm… what she said.

    Just a note: If you’re going past 5th street with two pair, you’re about to loose a lot of money.
     
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