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Raising Limits?

Discussion in 'Cash Game / Ring Game Advice' started by links_slayer, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. links_slayer

    links_slayer Master of the 3-Putt Par
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    Last night after our golf league we decided to get a 6 player cash game going in the clubhouse. I had 500 dice chips in my trunk (at all times...you never know :wink: ) and asked management if they allowed it. They were cool with it so we went ahead and got a table in the corner and started playing $0.25/$0.50 NL with $20 buy-ins. About 2 hours into it, not much cash had changed hands ("big" stack was about $30 and the "short" stack was around $15). At this point, 2 guys wanted to change to $0.50/$1 NL. That would have been fine with me, but they didn't want to allow anyone to reload. I was completely stunned at this.

    Here's my question(s):
    A) Is switching limits in the middle of a session standard practice? I'm relatively new to the cash game scene...:embarras:
    2) Is there a reason they didn't want to allow reloads? I mean, one of them was the short stack. This seemed completely illogical.

    Thanks...
     
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  2. hachkc

    hachkc Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't call it standard practice but yea it happens. Usually everyone has to agree to do it but its not a real big deal IMO. Even some casinos are open to the idea if everyone at the table agrees.


    No maka sense to me here; you double the stakes but no one can add more money in. My guess, they wanted the cash game to behave a bit more like a tourney where more folks were losing their stacks or getting knocked out. Some folks like the finality of tournament better while others (myself) like the endless cash game style.
     
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  3. links_slayer

    links_slayer Master of the 3-Putt Par
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    I was thinking they wanted to get a more "tourney feel" to the game too, but when I suggested cashing out and starting a tourney, they were blantantly against the idea. :twisted:

    Thanks for the input!:happy:
     
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  4. Couga

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    If they wanted a "Tourney feel" don't give them the choice... start a tourney.

    In a cash game you should be able to reload or add to your stack whenever you feel like it.

    I once was playing .25/.50 NL and we agreed to play until one person had it all. Well about an hour into it I was short stacked with only about $8 left and then the two chip leaders decided they wanted to raise the limits to $1/$2, and I was like "HELL NO!" Everyone else at the table agreed to the increased blinds and it became an all-in fest in about 5 minutes. One of the worst experiences I have had playing poker. Haven't played with those jokers since.

    - Couga
     
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  5. Magic Koala

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    I used to think everybody knew the difference between a cash game and tournament but I always have some people at my cash game who suggest raising the blinds every hour so then I have to convince them to raise the blinds based on the number people playing and not based on the time. At the same time, they want people to get knocked out BUt they want people to rebuy so the kitty becomes bigger. I also have to keep reminding people they don't have to lose all their money before they can leave the table.

    I think everybody's been watching way too many tournaments on TV.
     
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  6. links_slayer

    links_slayer Master of the 3-Putt Par
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    I wasn't really that upset about them wanting to change limits mid-way; others were against it. I was more upset about them not wanting to allow buying more chips.
     
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  7. Stocktrader

    Stocktrader Faux Clay Nation

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    Links, I understand, BUT, they WERE dice chips...

    I agree that changing limits is cool if ALL agree, but the buying more chips???
    C'mon, cash out, start NEW tourny. No way would I agree to the method as explained.
     
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    tikipirate Faux Clay Nation

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    I think the raising the limits is fine; should be able to rebuy though. I think sometimes the action gets too dull if the limits stay too low, but this is just me. Sounds like your guys wanted to do a tourney.
     
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  9. links_slayer

    links_slayer Master of the 3-Putt Par
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    Yes, especially considering the stacks after 2 hours. I think I may try and convince them to play a small tourney next week, despite their initial rejection of the idea. We'll see if they're up for it. Who knows...12 guys might wanna play next week. That would be schweeeeeeeet.
     
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  10. Captn_All_In

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    I am with you links, not being able to add more money at the time the blinds were switched seems a little strange. You could have just added on and then let them figure it out for themselves when they get short stacked in a round or two....:happy:
     
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  11. VARoadstter

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    Did you guys see Casino Royale? They were playing cash and the blinds did increase every so often - very Hollywood of them. :mad:

    My guess is the guys who wanted to raise the limits were just getting bored and since no one was making any headway they just wanted to get more action going. They were being halfassed about it, though, in that they didn't want people to be able to buy up sufficiently.

    To the novice, they don't see the problem. I think they were just ignorant of the negative effects of having the average bankroll so low compared to the blinds. Bottom line, if they are going to be bored playing at a particular limit, they need to man up and bring enough roll to play higher.
     
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  12. Slim7

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    My question would be... if someone went broke would they be able to buy in for another $20? It would make sense to me that people should be able to buy twice as many chips when you double the blinds. Maybe the short stacks didn't want to rebuy becasue they wanted the option of going all in with the last of their money? It does seem strange.. but there are alot of players who like to play short stacks so they don't risk as much. I don't agree with the strategy as you can't win as much when you do get a hand, but I see it quite a bit...person buys in at the minimum, plays crazy and if they lose the buy again...and again...and again :stunned:
     
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    I'm not big on cash games, but it seems this would be ok if everone agrees and you want to end it soon.
     
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    It is not uncommon to raise stakes in the middle of a game if everyone feels that it is too low. All the players would have to agree. It is strange that they did not want to add to buyin as that would go hand in hand with the increase limit. It sounds like they have no idea of how a cash game is played, too much exporsure to tounaments.
     
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  15. BigBlue

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    I'm picturing a couple of dopey wanna be hustler-gamblers... play them for whatever they want :wink:


    Changing stakes is no biggie. Refusing more cash/chips is odd for sure. I'd get some ground rules laid down for the next game.
     
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  16. Diablo_Rojos

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    I see nothing wrong with raising the blinds during a cash game. Just as long as it doesn't become progressive. I have doubled up the blinds once when it was like 12 am and there were 3 people left. As for the guys who wanted to stop rebuys they probably just wanted to end the game. Once people start busting out the game starts to wind down.
     
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    Answer 1) Among people who don't have a lot of cash game experience, switching blinds/antes/limits is more common, but it happens everywhere in my experience. For beginners, it is easy to make the blinds and antes too low, which according to poker theory should make you play tighter, thus less action and probably more boredom. The flip side of this is if the blinds/antes are too high, then you get an all-in fest and skill takes a back seat. Most of the cash games I play are limit, and you have to be careful with the relationship between the blinds/antes and the limits. Too low = tight play and boring, too high = crapshoot. Of course, if you are playing cash games with players who do not adjust their play properly to the blinds/antes/limits, then you are in a profitable position. :happy:

    Answer 2) If you just busted somebody, and that player is worse than you, of course you want to allow buy-ins and you hope that player rebuys. In your case, I don't think that was the reason for the request. I think the guys just wanted to play a tournament where people got eliminated. They wanted to use some of those skillz they learned by watching WPT and WSOP broadcasts and take your money!
     
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    If everyone agrees about the limits that would be fine. I would let people reload whether the limits were going up or not though. Exspecially if they were short stack, or get under a pre-determined amount.

    B
     
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  19. jdunford

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    It's not uncommon to change stakes or games after several hours, especially if there have been a lot of reloads to the point where the average chip stack is extremely deep for the original limits. For example, say it started as a 9-player $0.25/$0.50 game with everyone buying in for $20-$30. After several hours, it's down to 5 players (others have busted or cashed out and gone home) and there's $500 on the table... several drinks have been consumed (or spilled) and the standard pre-flop raise is up to $5 anyway... might as well officially make it a $0.50/$1 game! But only if EVERYONE agrees. And the max buy-in increases accordingly as well.

    It's not a cash game if people can't reload (typically up to a pre-determined maximum) at any time they want (between hands, of course).
     
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    That sounds like a typical cash game at my house, and re-loading is how it works.
     
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