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New Card Room in Austin - Texas Card House

Discussion in 'Casinos and Card Rooms' started by Meddler, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. Meddler

    Meddler Well-Known Member
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    Pardon if this has already been discussed...

    There's a new card room in Austin and although it's less than 5mi from my house, I'm not sure if/when I'll check it out. Ceramic chips look interesting (pic in article)
    Gambling in Texas can be very tricky and I think they're taking a risk by serving alcohol.

    At any rate, here's an article and website

    Thoughts?
     
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    I'm not familiar with Texas gambling laws, but this looks intriguing. The membership fees seem reasonable considering there is no rake and the dealers will not accept tips.

    I LOL'd when I saw that it's just south of Slaughter Road.
     
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  3. Meddler

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    Yup, I'm literally 2 block from Slaughter Lane and probably less than 5 miles from the card room.
     
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    Wish I was close. Maybe if this works out ok, we will see others in TX.
     
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    I might check this out sometime. I'd like to see it survive a couple months without issue first though, to be safe :)
     
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    This is an exact duplicate of a guy that did the same thing in New York and ended up getting raided 5 or 6 times until he gave up trying. If I find any links to this information, I will add them here.
     
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    Seems like if there is a legit loophole in the law and they get raided, wouldn't that be grounds for legal action on his part in hopes that it eventually gets thrown out thus opening the door for more private card rooms? Harrah's can bankroll his legal defense.

    Also, if he's as legit as he claims, would he have been granted a permit to operate?
     
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    Looks interesting. Hope is works out. I agree......risky serving alcohol. And if it's legal.....why would they get raided?
     
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    He's gotta have something to be advertising and putting up a Web Site.

    We'll know in a few weeks....
     
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    and pay taxes....Unfortunately looks like he's a Redskins fan so BOOOOO
     
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    It won't stand up to this affirmative defense clause: "no person received any economic benefit other than personal winnings"
     
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    It will be interesting. One could argue he's not receiving an economic benefit from poker....his is from the membership.
     
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    I think the economic benefit has to do with the gambling place, not the source or destination of the economic benefit. The fact that poker is occurring in the establishment, and economic benefit is derived in the same establishment at the same time, makes it fail the defense.

    In a literal sense even poker games for real money played in bars and restaurants fail the defense because the restaurant, bartender, waitress, etc. receive economic benefit during the game. Not that any of these are ever prosecuted, but they do fail the defense none the less.
     
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    What's the latest on this card room, the Texas Card House in Austin? There hasn't been any tweets or anything on the FB account since April. Did anybody go there? Any Trip Reports? Is it still open?
     
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    Several of my players go to this room. So far no troubles reported. I have not gone yet.

    The place is popular enough to have a line waiting at opening and seems to operate well when it is open. The "membership fee" is significant enough that you likely will want to plan on a long session.

    There is no booze sold - not a surprise as the TABC agents have super powers not granted to any other law enforcement agent in Texas and a history of abusing said powers.

    In my opinion, the owner has gone out of his way to taunt the police. He operates blatantly in plain sight. The customers are numerous enough to be obvious in a commercial space - the take out deliveries are coming and going all night long. The room advertises openly. That being said, Austin police are not known for seeking out such games so they might not care. The state police might care, more so now that we have a religious conservative AG.

    There has been an 'informal' carve out for places like the Men's card room at a country club for members to play poker. This place doesn't look anything like a country club and the business purpose is clearly poker. It seems black and white unlawful to me. But so far, nothing happened.

    I think it is just a matter of time before the police act. If you visit, don't carry anything valuable and limit your cash at risk.

    Good luck -=- DrStrange
     
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    The owner believes he is operating legally, has a clear lisence to conduct his business as advertised and is within the boundaries of current legislation. If APD or TGC was intend on shutting it down, I believe it would have happened by now.

    That being said, sure it's just a matter of time before someone has too much to drink (byob) and causes trouble somehow but to say the owner is "openly taunting" is akin to say 7-11 openly sells cigarettes. As the law is currently written, and apparently interpreted, this cardroom is legal.
     
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    Interpreted by who? I'm not arguing, just asking you to clarify who you think has interpreted that the owner is operating lawfully.
     
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    He was granted a license to.operate as a private poker room by the Licensing and Administrative Committee. There is an assumption that they would not have granted said license to an illegal venture without running it up various flagpoles.

    It's been openly open now for several months. One would think that if it was deemed illegal it would have been closed by now.
     
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    Pete's room in Austin has been open for as long as I lived here. It hasn't been raided by the police that I know of. Pete isn't shy - vice surely knows this venue operates regularly. Yet he remains open. Though perhaps he too has a license of some sort.

    I have to say that I had no idea that Licensing and Administrative Committee was anything more than a committee of the legislative body. Does it report to counties individually or the Governor? Would you think a poker license covers more than one venue? Any idea how much it costs or how long it lasts? I couldn't find a thing about poker any more recent than 2002 on the Committee's web site.

    DrStrange
     
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    @DrStrange where is Petes room? I plan on playing in a couple of rooms over the weekend, perhaps you like to come play with us.
     
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