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How long would this tournament last?

Discussion in 'Tournament Structures' started by BrandonKirk, Jul 6, 2015.

  1. BrandonKirk

    BrandonKirk Well-Known Member

    Apr 10, 2012
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    I've been messing around with tournament structure for a T10k with unlimited rebuys to a certain point and an add on and here's what I've came up with after searching around here. I'm just not sure how long it'll last. I'm shooting for about 3-3.5 hours but my players are very loose. Also I'm not sure when to end the rebuy period and how to handle the add ons so I'm open for suggestions. Here's the blind structure I found with 20 minute blinds. This is for a single table tournament most likely 8 players. The buy in is 50 dollars with rebuys costing 50 dollars also, and an add on of 7500 chips for 20 dollars before the rebuy period ends I've found that the small cost of the add on builds the prize pool nicely. My questions are.

    1) When should I end the rebuy period?
    2)How do I handle add ons? (How many chips should I give and at what price?)
    3)Will this structure end in 3-3.5 hours with loose play (very loose)

    Small Big
    25 50
    50 100
    75 150
    ~~ 5-minute break ~~
    100 200
    150 300
    200 400
    ~~ 5-minute break, chip-up T25 ~~
    300 600
    400 800
    600 1200
    ~~ 5-minute break ~~
    800 1600
    1100 2200
    1500 3000
    ~~ 5-minute break, chip-up T100/T500 ~~
    2000 4000
    3000 6000
    4000 8000
    ~~ 5-minute break ~~
    6000 12000
    8000 16000
    11000 22000
    ~~ 5-minute break, chip-up T1000 ~~
    15000 30000
    20000 40000
    30000 60000
  2. abby99

    abby99 Admin / Chip Magpie
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    Nov 13, 2006
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    The rule of thumb is that a tournament should end when the big blind is around 5% of the total chips in play, or when there are approximately 20 big blinds in play. Of course this depends on the players, but it's a good guesstimate.

    With 8 players, assuming one buy-in of 10K, one rebuy of 10K, and one add-on of 7.5K per player, there would be 220K chips in play. 5% is 11K, which would happen around level 16. If my math is correct, you'd need 13-minute levels to finish in 3.5 hours. You'd need to adjust these numbers if you anticipate more or fewer rebuys and add-ons. Keep in mind that this is just a guideline -- predicting the end of a tournament is not an exact science.
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  3. UW85

    UW85 Chipaholic
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  4. BGinGA

    BGinGA Banned

    Nov 23, 2006
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    Atlanta, GA
    For starters, I'd use the listed blind structure with two modifications:
    a) add a 25/75 level (between L1 and L2)
    b) use 15-minute blind levels

    Also note that with 25/50 starting blinds, your T10000 buy-in for $50 works out to 4BB per $1.

    With that said, answering your questions:
    1) end the re-buy period at the end of L6 (150/300 blinds), when T25 color-up occurs (1.5 hour mark)
    2) offer an optional T8000 add-on (20BB) for $20 (1BB per $1), also at the end of L6
    3) With 8 players, 15-minute levels, and unlimited re-buys, the event will likely end around L16, or about 4 hours (plus breaks). Might be shorter with a really loose crowd, or actually longer if nearly everybody re-buys (a typical re-buy rate is about 20-25%).

    One option to shorten the event a bit would be to limit re-buys to one per person. If going this route, you can allow unused re-buy chips to be redeemed for a free T2000 bonus add-on (with the purchase of the optional T8000 add-on). This gives the re-buy chip intrinsic value (creating fewer actual re-buys on top of the one-per-person limitation) and will actually result in fewer chips in play -- essentially shortening the event duration.

    Going with single re-buys, the event should finish in under four hours including color-up breaks (after L6 for T25, after L12 for T100). No real need to remove the T500 chips.
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  5. BrandonKirk

    BrandonKirk Well-Known Member

    Apr 10, 2012
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    Thanks so much for the help guys! I wish i could save blind structures on blindvalet. I hate having to reenter it each time I go to play a tournament. Lazy, I know! I've got a set of rounders replicas that ship tomorrow. I'm way to excited about that.
  6. DeeVee8

    DeeVee8 Member

    Jul 10, 2008
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    Jax, FL
    I use the following formula with deadly accuracy...

    Total Chips in Play x 0.04. This amount is the TOTAL in the pot when the tourney usually ends. Give or take a blind level.

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