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History of Zieglers card room chips

Discussion in 'History of Poker Chips' started by whataboutj, Jun 13, 2007.

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    I am trying to track down information on Zieglers card room & the poker chips they used. Last Sept. I bought a fairly large lot of them off ebay. I have been kinda "Sitting" on them since then. I just got them out of hibernation last night and have now renewed my interest in getting info. Anyone have any insight into this card room? From what I understand it was a small card room in Califonia. I will get pics/scans of the various chips i have an post them when i get home tonight. The majority of the chips are Paulson Hat&Cane chips. They are definitely used chips in various conditions. They all came in what looks likwe original chip boxes. I have a box of TRK Large crown chips with "Mattys card room" on them that came in the lot too.
    Thanks in advance for the info
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    J,

    There are California experts that are accessible through TheChipBoard. There are two ways to get to their insight...

    Either post your question and scans there and look for replies from Butch Reynolds, Stu "The Count" Lovett, **** Staeffler and a few others, or post everything here and obnnce you are done, I'll go there and point back to here.

    You might also PM Smooth7 for his opinion.

    LMK, or I'll figure it out if you post here and not there. :)

    Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis
     
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    Got pics? Curious to see them.
     
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    Tony, USE Caution,

    Although cpiaaq is a good guy, I don't think he was posting a reply for whataboutj. The provided link went to **** Staeffler's California Guide (not a price guide) that resides on John Kallman's website as a .pdf document and only shows documented chips for Ziegler's.

    Although whataboutj's chips may be the same, we really won't know until we see the scans. Could be some undocumented gems in there.

    Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis
     
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    Thanks for the heads-up, much appreciated. I was actually waiting for the scans also...the pdf didn't really show me much.

    Thanks for looking out, though!
     
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    FYI I monitored that auction on eBay and the hot-stamp matches the one in the PDF on John Kallman's site (the top-right chip). At least some of the chips match that stamp, there were a lot of chips in that lot!
     
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    According to the 1998 Eastman Guide, the H&C chips are Christy and Jones and are valued at $13 - $18 each for the non-denominated chips. $36 - $45 for the $20 chip and $46 - $60 for the $100 chip.

    Only the large crown and crest & seal chips are included in the Guide.

    AGAIN!!!! The guide is from 1998. Nearly 10 years old and found quantities since then may have happened, which will change the values!!!!

    Lets wait for the scans and get the opinion(s) of California collectors.

    Jim
     
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    Thanks for the info guys. The hot stamped black & pink zielgelrs $1 H&C chip in the PDF that Cipaaq linked to is the exact chip style in the lot. There are quite a few different color combos in the lot and about 100 or more of each type. The conditions of them vary greatly from very used (hot stamp gone and edges rounded) to used but good (I am not very familiar with the rating system :embarras: )

    Unfotunately I was at the Cubs game last night (well not unfortunately since it was fun & they won :) ) so by the time I got home I did't get photos/scans done.

    Jim if the prices you quoted are even close to what my chips are worth I am a very happy man :) (I know they can't be graded until you see pics of the various conditions)

    I will try to get some pics taken today and scans tonight
    J
     
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    Ok who needs to go to work :laugh: (just kidding I can work from home if I need/want to)

    I looked through the chips reall quickly to try and find some to post. A couple points from my quick run through
    • Most of the boxes they came in say "C. J. Lisk Co" and have an address and phone number from LV
    • The black/pink $1's and the red/green $5's are mostly in bad shape. I tried to pull a sample from each that would show up well on a scan. They were mostly worn to point where the foil from the hot stamp was gone but you could see the imprint on some for the denom.
    • The black/yellow $20 chips are much better condition (see pic below)
    • The non denom chips vary in condition I picked a couple that would scan well
    • I included the "Matty" $1 chips that came in the lot too
    • There were "Western Pool Club" chips (I guess you could call them chips - they are probably more like tokens
    • There were also the edge spot starburst chips that you he seen pics of on CT included in this lot
    Let me know your thoughts on the chips
    J

    First the best chips in the lot (of the Zieglers) the $20
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    The $5 - not in great shape as mentioned
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    The $1 - these are in bad shape too - the $1 hot stamp is basically non exsistent on most of the chip. I didn't have time to look through them all
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    Non Denoms
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    This one is supposed to be Mauve w/ white spots but the scanner killed the colors
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    The "Matty" large crown chips
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    The "western Pool club"
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    I'll see what the California people have to say. Thanks for posting the scans.

    J(GO)F
     
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    Thanks Jim. Definitely looking forward to the feedback.
    J
     
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    Thanks for posting it Jim. I went in and replied. I also saw a seperate thread with the Zieglers Rendevous in them.
    Thanks
    J
     
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    Just a little update - if the latest info from the chipboard (so far been fairly helpful - thanks again Jim) is right the $20 chips have a value of $10-$22 each. That is really good news if it is true
    J
     
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    But will they hold that value after xxx examples are known from the lot you purchased?
     
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    I totally agree which is why I asked about quantities in the chipboard thread. It's not like I have hundreds of them - I think the most I ahve of any of the good ones is.........................
     
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    Re: Check out Richard Staeffler's and John Kallman's site

    Thanks for the link. Richard actually contacted me after Jim Folliss helped me by posting this on the chip board. Apparantely I have a couple non denom Zieglers he was not aware of. Very nice guy and a great site and project
    J
     
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