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Diamond Chip Cleaner's Main Ingredient...TSP

Discussion in 'Poker Chip Care' started by GreatDeals22, Mar 16, 2008.

  1. GreatDeals22

    GreatDeals22 Well-Known Member

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    I had previously posted Diamond Chip Cleaner's Patent in another thread.
    (here it is again)

    Cleaning solution - Google Patents

    Since that posting...I bought a small tub of TSP ... TriSodium Phosphate, which is the main cleaning ingredient in Diamond Chip Cleaner. Cost me
    $4.50 and that entire tub of TSP would probably clean upwards of 50,000
    chips.

    TSP is available from your local hardware store.

    I used 1 Tablespoon of TSP in 32 oz. of warm water (for better disolving of the TSP) I let the solution cool before putting in the Paulson chips. I mixed up 2 batches of solution and cleaned 1000 chips. After soaking the chips for 15 miutes, I lightly brushed each chip with a soft brush and they came out
    beautiful. Rinsed the chips and put them on a towel to dry. Much easier work than using a bit of dish soap and lots of labor.

    You'll be surprised at how great a job this cheap alternative to Diamond Cleaner will do. Diamond Cleaner is a great product...it's just expensive if you have a lot of chips to clean.
     
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    Very nice tip!
    I have been using greased lighning and soaking the chips for 5 min before i scrub them in warm dishsoap water. The chips have been turning out nice.
     
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    Greatdeal22,

    I have to agree with 100%. This stuff is better then Pipe Shield. I have a been a PS for a long time until you introduce me to TSP. 10-15 min. is all you need.

    The only chips I have yet to try on is hot stamp.

    NF
     
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    is this stuff dangerous? any precautions needed when handling it?
     
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    thx for the link. makes me wonder if i want that stuff on my chips:

     
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    I never used it for chips, but TSP is pretty good at taking oil spots off the garage floor in higher concentrations, and will severely irratate your skin, so I wore gloves. The fumes are bad for you as well. I'm not sure what it's like in lower concentrations as I only used it on the garage floor.
     
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    It's a great deck cleaner/brightener.
     
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  9. GreatDeals22

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    When I used the TSP to clean my chips...I did a triple rinse with cold clean water before drying them. I have never heard of any complaints from the people who have used Diamond Chip Cleaner... Same cleaning ingredient.
    TriSodium Phosphate.

    I did wear gloves for most of the 1000 chips that I cleaned. Took the gloves
    off near the last 150 or so because I got water inside one glove. No adverse
    reactions to my hands.

    1 tablespoon per 32 oz. of water is a petty weak solution. No fumes that I could smell.

    It took me 1 hour 15 minutes to clean 1000 chips using TSP. It would
    have taken hours to clean the same amount of chips with dish soap and a soft brush. My hands would have looked like hell after spending that amount of time in soapy water.
     
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  10. jdunford

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    That's funny. I was just talking about trisodium phosphate in my class 2 hours ago.

    Phosphoric acid is a tri-protic acid... trisodium phosphate is the fully un-protonated conjugate base, which is a STRONG BASE! (Hence the "strongly alkaline" comment in section 9, and "reacts violently with water and acids" in section 10 of the MSDS). Dissolving it in water produces a very basic (alkaline) solution (and is exothermic = releases heat). That's why it irritates skin, eyes, lungs, respiratory tract, stomach, etc.

    Avoid exposing "TSP" to any acids... unless you want to see a very exothermic neutralization reaction. And you should add acids to bases, whenever possible... so to reduce the probability of something going horribly wrong, add water (or stronger acid) TO a concentrated solution of TSP, not the other way around, or it'll tend to spatter.

    Otherwise, it's fairly non-toxic (in terms of accute toxicity).
     
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    I used it on hot stamps, only let them soak for 2-3 minutes then scrubbed them with a soft tooth brush, no problems very clean.

    WARNING!!!!!!!!

    When I first cleaned some of the hotstamps I only let them sit for 2-3 minutes...I let some soak for 15 minutes and the stamps will come off! Good thing I had some extras!!!!
     
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    In English, please ???

    :wink:
    R.
     
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    Exothermic means to release heat as part of the reaction (technically, you are exothermic). Neutralization means the acid and the base react to make something more neutral.

    Acids and bases... I always remember a little phrase from high school chemistry whenever I'm in doubt...

    Little Johnny was a chemist
    little Johnny is no more
    What little Johnny thought was H20
    was H2SO4.

    Ack!!! All the high school chemistry I didn't think I needed is coming flooding back. Thanks... I think.
     
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    It blows up real good!

    I may have to try this sometime, sounds entertaining. Like pouring a little brake fluid on a pile of pool chlorine. That's VERY exothermic.


     
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    Warning Warning Warning

    I used this stuff as described (maybe a little stronger - I didn't measure) and let the 20 of the Nevada molds from the recent GB soak for 30 min. This is a little long, but typical of what I do with diamond chip cleaner.

    It dissolved the chips. I'm serious - it dissolved the chips. Interestingly a single Freddies Paulson showed no damage at all.

    Be very careful. Pics to follow.

    L
     
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    jldecarlo,

    The more I read the more I think of you as a scientist. LOL

    One tablespoons with 32 ounces cold water mix. Let your chips sit for 10 min and you are done.

    I really can't wait for the melded chips. LOL
     
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    I put about 2-3 TEAspoons in 64 oz water. I did let them sit for 30 min.
    The paulson was ok, the others melted.

    At best, there is a narrow line between effective and dangerous (narrow theraputic window in medical-speak). At worst, it just isn't the right thing for ASM chips. Use at your own risk.

    L
     
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    This is a follow-up to my post in jldecarlo's thread:

    I just looked at the patent (linked above), and noticed that their TSP solution contained a mixture of (di)sodium carbonate and sodium hydrogen carbonate (i.e. sodium bicarbonate). That mixture acts as a buffer to bring the pH of the cleaning solution closer to neutral (and consequently convert a lot of the TSP to a mono- or even di-protonated form). If you just used TSP in water, the pH is going to be much higher (more alkaline), and is apt to damage the chips in one way or another (e.g. dissolve the metal flecks in ASMs, or react with/dissolve some other component)... not to mention, be not-so-great for your skin.
     
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    Hard core chip cleaning.

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