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China Clay Makers - Who are they?

Discussion in 'Custom Chips General' started by justsomedude, Jan 9, 2015.

  1. justsomedude

    justsomedude Well-Known Member

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    With all the hype around the CPS chips, I have gotten very curious about who the "big players" are in the China Clay market. Surprisingly enough, when I did some Googling, I found little to no information about Chinese chip makers, except for First Rate and Merchant Ambassador.

    Are the names of the manufacturers out there somewhere? Do they have websites?
     
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    Doing some CSI style zoom and enhance work reveals "E. T." on the CPS chip boxes. Could be a clue.
     
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    I saw that as well. That was the only clue I could gleam. Came up with a few possibilities with ET initials in China, but nothing obvious... Yet.
     
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    i think ET makes the cardboard boxes, lololol
     
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    Eastony Industries manufactured the initial 'china clay' chips made on the spirit (or sprint) mold - they were 4d14-spotted and available with Pyramids Casino or Casino da Vinci labels, and also sold as blanks. Blank solids and 412-spotted chips were also available. The supply of the spirit mold chips seems to have dried up recently.

    Ningbo Industries manufactured several 'china clay' chips (or may have been a order-front company for a back-end producer), most notably producing the horridly-colored Pro World Games of Poker chips on the coffee & biscuit mold, sold by mrchip.eu at outrageous prices. The initial BLGOP chip group buy organizers were engaged with Ningbo, having made the first Tower & Spear mold along with prototype chips, until Ningbo reneged on their initial promise to provide color changes and enhancements during the prototype phase. That falling-out is what led to the redesigned CPS group buy currently running, with PGI supplying the chips via their Chinese factory contact.

    TheChipRoom (Desert Palms, Dunes Commemorative's, Pharaoh's Club, 8V-spotted reverse-S mold blanks) has never disclosed their Chinese factory source. Neither has PGI (Private Cardroom, plus blanks: solids, 4d14-spotted, and 8V-spotted reverse-L greek key mold chips).

    There have been three or four other 'china clay' chips produced using other molds, but the manufacturer has not been publicly identified for any of those, either.
     
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    Sometimes your knowledge of things chippy is ninja-like, other times you seem to scoff at the paltry skills of the mere chip ninjas.
     
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    It was actually called coffee and biscuit mold. I really wanted a grits n' gravy mold, Kansas City, Missouri, bitches.
     
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    Thanks for the info Dave. I've always wondered this as well, but thought none of that had been shared. With the Chinese being masters of breaking down a product, and copying manufacturing processes, I've always wondered if China clay manufacturers were a dime a dozen.

    A follow up question I have is: do all CC become brittle after a few years, or just the CC Pharaohs? I've had my set of Pharaohs for 3-4 years and after each game now I feel like I have to clean my felt as it's full of tiny chip pieces. We're only 10, we play 11 tourney games during winter, and a few during summer. I'd say max they're used 15-20 times per year. They're not abused. Because they seem to be becoming brittle/breaking, I've sworn off buying more China clays.
     
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    Ah yes, that's correct -- 'cup' didn't sound right, but I was too lazy to hunt down the correct name. The mold is still being produced as blanks for custom-labeled chips sold by mrchip.eu (see below). A CT member purchased a small set with custom artwork directly from Ningbo (paying a premium for circumventing their minimum order size), which is what jump-started the BLGOP group buy effort.

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    I've never heard of this as a result of normal shuffling, stacking and shoving. Is your group splashing pots?
     
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    Not uncommon for some china clay chips, based on reports here on CT. I think the white chips (PGI's and Pharaoh's Club) have been recently cited more than others as having this tendency to chip/crumble.

    I sold my Pharaoh's Club tournament set (so no white chips) after a couple of years, but had experienced no issues at that time. I should probably dig out all of my cc samples (a rack or two, total) and see if any of the chips exhibit this behavior - most are several years old by now....

    Couple of questions, Genghis: Do any of the denominations show this more than others? Did you initially oil the chips prior to putting them into play?
     
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    No we don't splash the pot. Everyone places their bet in front of them, when the round of betting is over the dealer slides the stacks in the pot. It's like just the action of sliding the chips is leaving very fine chip pieces on the felt. You'd think my felt was a cheese grater, lol. I have heard similar comments actually. And then wondered if it's just the Pharaohs, THAT manufacturer, or all China clays. The pieces are so small, like paper thin shavings, that I don't think any players have noticed. When you look at the felt it just looks dirty. When you look very closely, you see what looked like dirt/dust is actually green/purple/yellow CC shavings. I have no issues with any of my Paulson/ASM/TRK chips.
     
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    Wow... Weird! I had no idea. :|
     
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    I'd say the green 25s and purple 500s the most. And I do recall oiling them when I bought them. They were fine up til maybe 6 months ago. Then I thought why am I cleaning my table more often? Then noticed these shavings more and more. OMG! I just examined them really close for the first time, they're friggin awful! This is just the first of each denom I picked. 100s look pretty good, even though they're the work horse. In the first pick you can see yellow and green shavings. That purple is hideous all around. Even seems to be falling apart on the outer edge at the inserts. 20150112_001239.jpg 20150112_001539.jpg 20150112_001605.jpg
     
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    I'm hoping the CPS chips do not do this.
     
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    [I'm hoping the CPS chips do not do this.]

    +1
     
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    Do the other clay chips flake like that or is it just china clays? I'll be honest, besides budget that's one of the things that scared me away from clay chips I was terrified that they'd crumble up on me like that.
     
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    It's not typical with Paulsons, but it can happen under casino conditions. The Aztar Evansville primary $1s show pretty heavy flea bites, with some chips approaching the condition of these Pharoahs. It's much more common for casino used Paulson chips to have even wear, with the corners rounded and the cross hatching smoothed out. Home use isn't heavy enough to change the condition of Paulson chips, beyond possibly dulling the corners.
     
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    After this set (first set I ever bought), I moved on to my first Paulsons. I could only afford heavily casino used Paulsons at first. Omg those were bad. But like atomiktoaster said, they still mostly only get even wear, rounding of edges, some flea bites. Maybe one chip here and there will have an actual chip in it. Maybe. Nothing even close to my pics above. But if you buy nice Paulsons that are not rounded, no flea bites or chips, your home use will never cause it. They'll last you forever as long as you don't run an underground casino where they're used 24/7.
     
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    That's good to hear. I'm sure I'll take the plunge eventually, just have to ease my conscious. :wink:
     
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