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Buy-in size for spread limit games?

Discussion in 'Cash Game / Ring Game Advice' started by Mistakenly, May 19, 2009.

  1. Mistakenly

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    My group of poker buddies want to look at mixing up our nights with a few spread limit games. Currently we play $0.25-$0.50 limit, with typical buy-ins at around $20 to $25.

    If we move to spread limit, what should the spread and blinds be for a $25 buy-in? Is there a rule of thumb for buy-in size relative to spread or blinds? For example in NL, the typical buy-in is around 100-150 big blinds. In limit it's 20+ big bets. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on either of those btw).

    My only experience with spread is one night at the $1 to $5 game at O'Sheas which had $1/$1 blinds. Everyone seemed to buy-in between $50 and $100. There aren't spread games here in Australian casinos so I don't have any basis for comparison.
     
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    I have run .05¢/.10¢ games for a while and the "house" game is .05¢/$1 Spread Limit. Most people always buy in for $20. The blinds are .05¢/.10¢ and sometimes there is a straddle to .25¢.
     
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    Thanks for that. With a buy-in of $20, do you find many people have to re-buy during the night?

    I was thinking that for a $25 buy-in I could have a spread of $0.25 to $1.25, so it would be a similar BB to buy-in ratio to your game.
     
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    I play in two different spread limit games that are based on state laws.

    The Indian casino has a $10-500 spread limit with a $500-2000 buyin

    Local card room has a $2-25 spread limit. Buyin for $30+. I buy into it for $400 since it is theoretically the most I can get in on a single hand.

    Hope that helps somehow.
     
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    That's more of a legal thing isn't it? Something about not allowing NL? I think from memory some people refer to it as California spread limit?

    That makes sense. So a spread limit buy-in should be 16 x max bet, which is equivalent to four rounds of capped betting. Yes, that does help. Cheers!
     
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    Since $2-10 spread limit (blinds $1/2) is very popular here in Minnesota, I've seen multiple buy-in minimums. Black Bear Casino in Carlton, MN, says $50 is the minimum buy-in (5 big bets). Grand Casino in Hinckley, MN, says $100 is the minimum buy-in (10 big bets). And then there's Shooting Star Casino in Mahnomen, MN, where I played once a few years ago; their minimum buy-in was ten big blinds ($20). So I'd say just use whatever spread your guys feel comfortable with, and set the buy-in accordingly.
     
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    they're both due to Washington state laws. Indian casinos are limited to $500 max bets and a bet and 3 raises on any street.

    Smaller card rooms are limited to a $40 max bet and a bet and 3 raises on any street. The particular card room I play in never updated thier internal operating procedures with the state so they are still bound by the old state law of a $25 max bet, even though the limit was raised 2 years ago.

    Hopefully the state will repeal or raise the $500 max bet in the indian casinos soon.

    On a side note, the spread limit may cause your game to play bigger than you expect because it is hard to price out draws or semi-strong hands. Spread limit games I play in change over to large limit games rather quickly.

    The 10-500 spread game plays SOOO big sometimes that it is disgusting. I have never found a 5-10 anywhere outside of washington that plays half as big.
     
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    That raises an intersting question, what do you think plays bigger:

    $1-$2 limit
    $0.25/$0.50 no limit
    $0.50 to $2.50 spread, with (or without) spread increased to $1 to $5 on turn and river
     
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    it would depend on how your players play. if they like trying to outplay each other on later streets the small NL would. otherwise, prolly the 1-2.

    I wouldn't set the spread so close either. takes away a lot of ability to play the game if you limit your players options.

    what is your end goal for this game? how big do you want it to play and waht are the tendencies of your players?
     
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    You do realize that NL as commonly played is spread-limit, right... as is pot-limit? They're both just a special kind of spread limit....
     
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    I'm guessing C and B could be close, depending on your game, but #c is the biggest. #a should be smaller, since stadk sizes won't grow as readily.
     
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    I believe in CA cardrooms, the spread max is the size of the buy-in, since NL is not permitted. So a $1-$200 spread-limit game would have a max buy-in of $200.

    I think it's so hard to define "typical" that it really just depends how you want it to play. It sounds like you want something with a little more flexibility than Fixed Limit, without the variance of No-Limit. You could always increase the spreads on the turn and the river... In your case, something like $0.25 - $1.00 pre- and post-flop, $0.50 - $2.00 on the turn and river.

    One thing I've never been sure about with spread-limit, since I've never played, is how it works in regard to the number of bets and raises... is it something like a bet and 3 raises like fixed-limit?
     
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    How is NL = Spread Limit? Do you just mean table stakes and the max buy-in?
     
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    I think Larry simply means that since the bet amount is variable (from big blind to the size of your stack) rather than a fixed amount, the game is essentially spread limit as opposed to fixed limit
     
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