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anyone have a link to chip-race procedures?

Discussion in 'Home Poker Rules' started by jojobinks, Jul 24, 2005.

  1. jojobinks

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    please?
     
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    thanks, i have been wondering about how to do that for awhile.
     
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    Per Robert's Rules of Poker by Bob Caffione: The lowest denomination of chip in play will be removed from the table when it is no longer needed in the blind or ante structure. All lower-denomination chips that are of sufficient quantity for a new chip will be changed up directly. The method for removal of odd chips is to deal one card to a player for each odd chip possessed. Cards are dealt clockwise starting with the 1-seat, with each player receiving all cards before any cards are dealt to the next player. The player with the highest card by suit gets enough odd chips to exchange for one new chip, the second-highest card gets to exchange for the next chip, and so forth, until all the lower-denomination chips are exchanged. A player may not be eliminated from the event by the chip-change process. If a player has no chips after the race has been held, that player will be given a chip of the higher denomination before anyone else is awarded a chip. If an odd number of lower-denomination chips are left after this process, the player with the highest card remaining will receive a new chip if having half or more of the quantity of lower-denomination chips needed, otherwise nothing.
     
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    racing

    What, you don't believe me?

    -Ash
     
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    Re: racing

    what struck me as weird is exactly what was wrong. high card gets a chip. suit is a tiebreaker...
     
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    Robert's Rules here is missing the disclaimer that one one player can not win more than one chip. I prefer the TDA rules for that. Wouldn't be bad to give credit to the rule either.
     
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    Re: racing

    It struck me as odd when it was done at Trump this way too.

    I don't have the energy to determine if there is a mathematical difference between the two methods.

    -Ash
     
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    Just out of curiousity, wouldn't it be easier to color up any extra chips to the next lowest value in play?

    At most you're giving each player an extra SB or ante depending on the blind structure which seems pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. Seems to be easier than worrying about the chip race and maybe fairer.

    The only possible exception is if you color up at the late blind levels where the blinds are a sizeable % of the stacks. Assuming chip stacks with no more than the following values in play 5, 25, 100, 500, 1000 (T500-1500), would anyone color up past the 5 & 25 chips?
     
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    Then a savy player would try to have extra chips so they get free chips when there is a color up.
     
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    True but you can't get more than 1 chip so how many of us would alter our play to get a fraction of the lowest value chip. Assume you are coming to the end of round 3 (20/40 blinds) with the next round being 25/50 and $5 chips color up to $25 chips. If you keep 1 chip versus 5 chips, you are only getting an extra $20 when the blinds are 25/50; that's not much use. Even so, what's worse taking from the many to pay the few (chip race) or paying the many a fractional chip.
     
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    We play a T5000 tourney with these breakdowns.

    $25 chips - 16
    $100 chips - 16
    $500 chips - 4
    $1000 chips - 1

    When we color up the $25 chips we race exactly as described above.

    We will either deal one card to each player with an extra chip(s) and no one person can get more than one chip. Or we do a "wash" where we mix and spread the cards on the table and let the players "pull" their own cards for the same race style.

    At the $500 color up, if you've got odd chips, you get rounded up to a $500 chip period. If you've got 1 or 4 odd chips you still get a $500.

    When the blinds are $500/1000 that $200 off doesn't mean much, and its more fair to the guy with 4 chips to potentially lose $400 straight out.
     
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    I often quote Robert's Rules and have always listed the credit. Just forgot this time. Thanks for the reminder.
     
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