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AA UTG, hero has exposed his hand

Discussion in 'Poker Strategy General' started by DrStrange, Oct 26, 2014.

  1. DrStrange

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    Playing 1-1 live, nine handed. This is my "quiet" game. The villains are mostly loose-passive low level thinking types with a couple of exceptions. Table talk is pervasive - it is part of the social aspect of this game and not likely to change. The villains have a huge range of stack sizes, ranging from less than $50 to $300+. Hero is playing $225.

    The hand:

    Hero is UTG - as he reaches to draw his hand into it's normal position the cards somehow flip up and expose A:diamond: A:heart:. The hand is as visible as it would be properly tabled but not for a long time. (still more than ample for anyone looking.)

    Two questions:

    First, is Hero under any obligation to fully expose his hand under the presumption that someone saw it and if so, everyone should see it?

    Second, what does hero do knowing there is some risk that a few villains (or more) have seen his hand. Plus there is a chance one of the vocal players might say something about Hero's cards during the hand.

    Opps! -=- DrStrange
     
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  2. Ben

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    First, no. However, I think that any villain that did see it has an obligation to say so.

    If someone does, just jam. (Or raise to $75 and jam any flop, if you think it will be more effective at getting someone to "gamble.") If they don't, just play the hand more or less as you normally would through the turn, under the assumption that one or more villains MAY have seen it. Perhaps bet a bit larger preflop/flop than you otherwise would. Never bet river. If someone does something like check-jam the flop, you'll be leaning a lot further towards folding than you otherwise would.
     
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  3. JoseRijo

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    Tommy Angelo talks about folding aces preflop. Maybe this is a good time to try it. I've folded aces preflop online a few times. Just think of it as a live mis-click.
     
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  4. chippy mcchiperson

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    Jam it and pick up the blinds. If someone wants to try and crack your aces let them have at it.
     
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  5. bergs

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    I like this approach - "Guys, I accidentally flipped over my hand, and Ive got these (expose the AA) and if anyone wants to gamble, sounds good to me, I'm all in".
     
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    You gotta ship it, once you have flipped it
    you gotta take away the odds so they can't call it/

    Boom ba-da-da-da-da
    Baby Ship It
     
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  7. DrStrange

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    *** Results (not very exciting) ***

    Hero just waits a bit to see what table chatter happens. Nothing for maybe 15 seconds then a reminder that action is on Hero.

    Hero bets $15, everyone folds. The blinds mention they say Hero's hand but no one else says they did.

    Oh well - got to be more careful, what ever "more careful" means.

    DrStrange
     
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    lol 20 fingers Gotta Lick It, well played sir!
     
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    I swear if that happened at our Wednesday night game, those donktards would still take a swing with TT-KK or any Ax.
     
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    Ditto. At least 3 people in our game would pay $15 to see a flop.
     
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    Yes I think jamming is the best option. Personally I don't want to see a flop with other opponents who may of seen my cards. All I would be thinking is "if he knows I have AA why is he betting/calling etc."

    Jam and let them gamble
     
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  12. grandgnu

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    If I know my opponents hole cards I can essentially play perfect poker against them, I'd be willing to see a flop with ATC with that type of information.
     
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    So how much money would you lose long term when they shove every flop against you?
     
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  14. grandgnu

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    There are too many variables. Stack sizes? How often do we outflop the Aces and get them to stack off? How much do we win in those instances? How often do we get counterfeited or outdrawn and lose in those instances?

    How often we call pre-flop with perfect information and have to fold the flop? How much does that add up to?

    Does our opponent shove every flop every time or are there times that they check (fearing they might stack off since we know their hand) allowing us to outdraw them cheaply, or times they make callable bets?

    It's very rare you can play with perfect information and make the 100% correct decision against your opponent. I think you're missing the HUGE value that represents.

    Also, do they always know we know their hand? If not, that changes things as well.
     
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    Jesus Christ go back in your hole.
     
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    Tim, when you write it that way, he actually thinks he's Jesus Christ...

    FYP.
     
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