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500 Piece Set- Initial Order

Discussion in 'Chip Breakdowns' started by TTDOUBLE, Jul 16, 2015.

  1. TTDOUBLE

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    Looking to order a new CPC cash game set of 500 chips. We play $0.25/0.50 blinds, 8-10 players, buy-ins capped at $50, rebuys up to half of the big stack. Usually no more than $1K on the table.

    Thoughts on the following breakdown:

    $0.25- 80
    $1.00- 250
    $5.00- 150
    $25.00- 20

    Total bank is $1,470. If we run out of chips, rebuys are purchased from bug stacks and cash is required to stay on the table until the game ends or you have to leave.
     
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  2. Psypher1000

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    First thought is you might want more quarters. Ten quarters per person only gets you three orbits-worth of blinds before someone's having to make change if they don't win a hand. If you play 10-handed then you don't even have enough for three orbits.

    For a set of 500 I would probably go...

    $0.25- 120
    $1.00- 260
    $5.00- 100
    $25.00- 20

    Ten-handed, a max-buyin stack looks like 12/22/5.
     
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  3. TexRex

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    Seems to me like you'd want more $25s. I don't disagree on more quarters, but I'm not sure it's necessary either. I think you could use fewer $1s. You don't say what the stakes are, but honestly I'd think everyone would be buying at least $80-100, and that's not a lot for re-buys.

    $0.25- 120
    $1.00- 180
    $5.00- 100
    $25.00- 100

    Total bank - $3210

    Or

    $0.25- 80
    $1.00- 200
    $5.00- 120
    $25.00- 100 (I think even better would be adding say 20 $100s and taking them from the $25s)

    Total bank - $3320

    I understand liking a lot of chips, but I think your bank is too small for your intended game. I'd get a bank bigger than you anticipate needing.
     
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  4. ShaggyPE

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    My preferred breakdown is as follows. We do 9-10 handed .25-.50, $100 buyin. Mind you I don't like lots of quarters. The first few rebuys are done with $25, after that $100.

    100 $.25
    130 $1
    120 $5
    40 $25
    10 $100

    Initial buyin stack is 12/12/12/1, until out of quarters. This is just 400 chips, total bank $2755. Yeah, we make change at the table, but the dealer makes change from the pot if there's an oversized bet. Really doesn't slow the game down. No one complains.
     
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  5. TTDOUBLE

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    Thanks. My initial thought was 8/13/2/1 and quarters can be moved around the table as needed....

    My initial post referred to $0.25/0.50 blinds, first buyin is capped at $50. Rebuys can be made for up to half of the largest stack on the table. We usually have roughly $1K on the table. If chips run out then cash is used to buy from larger stacks, but the cash has to stay in play.

    I like your idea of adding $100's though. Eventually I'll order and additional 500+ of larger denoms to make a cash/tournament set.

    I like the dealer making change idea.

    Thank you guys for your input.
     
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  6. TexRex

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    I did get what your blinds are, but I didn't know there was a buy-in limit and I still don't really know what the stakes are.

    Only 100 BB seems like there isn't much room to maneuver. I hardly ever play cash any more, but when I did, it was limit. We always started with at least 40x the max bet. Those were ante games, not blind games. Even if your max bet was $2, that's only 25 max bets.

    If it's no limit, I personally think that's not enough.

    I would definitely order 100s if you have $1000 on the table frequently. I'm not a big fan of having cash on the table.

    On another issue, I'd have a completely different set of tournament chips. If you play both on the same night with the same set of chips, I've seen unintentional chip migration cause problems. What size tournaments are you thinking of?
     
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  7. TTDOUBLE

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    Sorry, out cash game is $0.25/0.50 NLHE. We cap the game at 100BB to start. Seems to keep things honest, at least in our game. Most games I've played in online or in a casino will cap the buyin at 100-200BB.

    The tournament wouldn't be the same night but I'm looking to do a 18-20 man tournament $100+10 for food and beer. Starting stack of T10000 and blinds starting at T50/100 with 20 min levels.
     
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  8. SixSpeedFury

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    What's the betting like? With under $1k on the the table I'm pretty sure the bets are done with $1s and $5s, which are your workhorse chips and the area that needs to be padded the most.
     
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  9. TexRex

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    The additional info helps. I'd honestly think some $100s would be very helpful. I'm a believer in getting chips for a bigger game than expected as games have a tendency to grow over time.

    I'd definitely do a completely separate tournament set. Cash chips are like the gold standard -- the value never changes. Tournament chips are fantasy values, and the value changes throughout the tournament. While a 1000 chip is always 1000, as the blinds go up, it becomes less valuable as the tournament goes on.

    Not playing both on the same night makes it easier to use one set for both, but consider this. If you are coloring up, just say from 100 to 500 (any values work), and player has five 5's. He might could get exactly the same amount of chips by turning in 1-100 instead of 5. So he keeps the 4 to use in the next cash game. That's not possible if the chip sets are different.

    I know most people think "no one in our group would ever do that," and most of them are right. But when it happens, it always catches players by surprise, and it's very expensive.

    I see cash games and tournaments as two completely different animals that require different chip sets. Of course, that's just my opinion. :)

    May I ask about the origin of your moniker? TTDouble -- just curious of the origin?
     
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  10. TTDOUBLE

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    Opens are usually in the $1.50-2.50 range, 3-bets in the $5-7 range.

    Now that I think about it , we could probably use more than 500 chips for the cash game. But you're absolutely right that $1-5 are the workhorses in our game.

    It's a long story for the name. It was the evolution of a nickname I got when I was younger. Most people I'm friends with just call me Double for short.

    I'll most likely get a different set for the planned tournament.
     
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  11. justsomedude

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    My .25/.50 set is 600 chips, just because the $1 chips see so much work in my games. I use a 600 chip birdcage for transport. This is my breakdown, and it works well for my group...

    $0.25 - 100
    $1.00 - 400
    $5.00 - 80
    $25.00 - 20

    This gives you $1,325 in your bank, and will work for the vast majority of .25/.50 cash games. You could always add a few 100-dollar chips or plaques if you really needed to, or wanted to increase the buyin limit. Also, if you see more use of the $5 chip in your games, you can play around with the $1/$5 quantities. Say, 360 and 120.

    Splitting the last barrel into $25x15 and $100x5 would give you $1,700, which also works well. Lastly, FWIW, I relabeled my $25 as $20 chips... since most guys carry $20's to my games. It will change your total bank, but not by much.
     
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  12. Mojo1312

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    We played a weekly 9 to 10 player .25/.50 NLHE game with a $40 to $60 buy-in and re-buys up to half of the big-stack. We would normally have $1,100 to $1,500 on the table. We used a 530 piece chipset that contained 120 quarters, 120 $1 chips, 260 $5 chips, and 30 $25 chips. We never had a problem.

    Chips are fluid. They are constantly moving around the table. Whenever someone did run out of ones, he would buy them off another player, or the dealer would give him change from the pot.

    In our group, players made bets in whole dollars, which is why I would go with 120 quarters, 120 $1, 240 $5 and 20 $25 chips. A bank of $1,850 also gives your game room to grow.
     
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  13. TTDOUBLE

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    Thanks @Mojo1312 i totally agree with the chips being fluid. We've never had a problem moving them around the table. Not to mention, the dealer could color up when pots get big so the bank has some flexibility.
     
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  14. TexRex

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    Comment on Justsomedude -- Until he pointed this out, I forgot that my cash chips have $20s instead of $25s. That works well also.

    My cash set is 700 chips:
    105 x $.01
    105 x $.05
    105 x $.25
    125 x $1
    125 x $5
    85 x $20
    50 x $100

    I rarely use this set, and bout pennies to play lower end than I really expected. Most of the cash games I've played in have been either $.05 antes or $.05/.10 SB/BB. It's comparable in numbers to an old set I had that played well. I think you get used to whatever you have. Our total bank is $7,482.55 -- probably way more than I'll ever need, but plenty of room to grow.
     
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