8/1 WSOP Circuit

pokertvstar · #1 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 07:20 PM

"Called me on a 6-high draw...man that was dirty."

Gotta tell you, that is a sick beat, but couldn't have happened to a better guy. That Zilem guy was annoying as heck.

yeltzen · #2 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 08:30 PM

Hachem re-raises Pham to $150,000 with KK... Pham has an aneurysm and goes all in with JTo. Hachem calls, flop is J 2 J. I like Kido, but that was probably the worst move I've ever seen in my life. What could Hachem fold there? He was getting like 3 to 1.

Sometimes I wonder abotu these guys.

yeltzen · #3 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 08:31 PM

And that Zilem guy needs to go eff himself.
WAHHHHHH U CALLED WIF DRAW AND WIN WAHHHH. OMGZ I HAF TEH BEST HAND I SHULD WIN!!!1

panthershutch15 · #4 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 08:37 PM

That Zilem guy.....man...

Annoyed me almost as much as the dude that was on the WPT awhile back (the one that kept cracking his neck side to side and scrunching his face, clearly copying off of Gus Hansen's maneurisms...)

The way the guy said "nice hand" on the first part just completely annoyed me...He said I got the ace, the dude with the hat and silver sunglasses said "no good", and then Zilem said "nice hand" while nodding his head (completely weiner-esque).

BigKyle · #5 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 09:10 PM

"I got lucky in a sense."

Those were his words after he rivered the straight against Pescatori and Max called him. After that I was kind of glad Kido busted him with 6-high, even though I would have played it differently. Plus, who the hell is Ricky Zilem to command respect from Pham, a player who has made WPT/WSOP final tables (I'm not sure exactly which, I know he made a WPT final table and finished 2nd or 3rd)? Like they said, the guy is in his first year at WSOP events. Give me a break.

jello-broom · #6 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pokertvstar

"Called me on a 6-high draw...man that was dirty."

I think (just about) everyone watching was desperately rooting for a heart on the turn OR river! I found Zilem annoying too ... and hey, Pham was on a freeroll!

_GUN_ · #7 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 09:58 PM

When I saw that, I said to myself, "no heart," because I hate losing to people who push too hard with draws and suck out on me with trash. Then I realized, "Oh wait, it's against, Zilem. Come on heart!"

He was terribly annoying to me.

To comment on the KK/J10 hand.

AQo is good enough for a standard raise. Kido reraises holding J10o. Hachem hesitates, with two raises in front, and seemed to make a low raise for the situation, fearing AA. It was almost as if he made that raise to guage his standing, rather than to establish his strength. He raised 50k to 150k, if I'm not mistaken. In real-time, I considered if Kido picked up on the hesitation and was trying to represent aces. However, I'd never actually follow through with that play, because I'd never realistically believe a player holding kings would credit me with aces.

Kido's all-in move was the 4th raise in total. If the third raise is often aces, then surely the 4th raise is aces.

I consider these wild scenarios sometimes, if I limp with rags and then reraise, but don't go all-in, could I get jacks or better to fold? I've never actually found a scenario, where you could apply the stone-cold bluff on a 4th raise pre-flop.

When Kido was talking about Moneymaker with Hachem, didn't he say that he thought Hachem wasn't a fluke and implied Moneymaker was? Norm Chad seemed to take it like Kido called Hachem a fluke, but that wasn't my interpretation of his comment. Later in the episode, Kido actually said in the side room that he felt Hachem wasn't a fluke. I was confused about that first comment, though, which Norm Chad scrutinized.

BigKyle · #8 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 10:02 PM

Very good point Gun. I think that KK against someone as aggressive as Pham is an automatic call/allin move. I mean the guy said he had to draw out to win the tournament before calling an allin with a 6-high flush draw.

jello-broom · #9 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by _GUN_

When Kido was talking about Moneymaker with Hachem, didn't he say that he thought Hachem wasn't a fluke and implied Moneymaker was?

Yes, that's correct ... don't get confused GUN .... you're right. Norm Chad made a comment afterwards not about Hachem but about Moneymaker, something along the lines of if it wasn't for Moneymaker the fields today wouldn't be so big ... no one said Hachem was a fluke.

2_hotty · #10 (**permalink**) 08-01-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by _GUN_

When Kido was talking about Moneymaker with Hachem, didn't he say that he thought Hachem wasn't a fluke and implied Moneymaker was? Norm Chad seemed to take it like Kido called Hachem a fluke, but that wasn't my interpretation of his comment. Later in the episode, Kido actually said in the side room that he felt Hachem wasn't a fluke. I was confused about that first comment, though, which Norm Chad scrutinized.

I just got done watching it on Tivo. Norman Chad didn't think Kido was talking smack about Hachem. Chad said the he thought Kido should show more respect to Moneymaker, then Lon McCaron chimed in with "he's the reason that the main event is so big". Chad wasn't commenting on what Kido said about Hachem at all, it was just the Moneymaker comment.