[Johnny5]

Originally Posted by TomHimself

oo jooojooo got jokes

That was a nice one Jojo!

Oh, and Tom, your sig is hilarious! Phil sure can look weird sometimes.

For some reason, most times I see him, he looks like he's comatose & I keep waiting for some drool to start running down his shirt.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by FetishGirl

Exactly my point!

The fact that you feel you are a stronger player does not factor into this particular situation. Using that as criteria in this specific situation is misleading and wrong. You are so short stacked that your ability to "outplay the weaker player" has a value of exactly nil. You are in all-in or fold mode right now. Your skills have been reduced to selecting the proper spot to make your move.

You make big folds when you feel your skills are much stronger at the beginning of tourneys or when you are still deep-stacked. You have no guarantee that you will be involved in another hand with this player prior to you blinding out.

If you follow HOH2, his M isn't even close to 5, it's more like 2.5, adjusting for the 5 players at the table. Incidently, there's 4 tables and 22 players, why isn't this down to 3 tables?

Yes Harrington advocates being the pusher rather than the caller, but absent the results, this is NOT an easy fold. With that hand you very well may be behind, but at this point in the tourney (short stacked and far away from the money) you are going to have to gamble sometime and double up a few times. IF your read is that you're close to a coin flip, you're getting the odds. Call.

[Pavel6969]

Finally someone who is on my side. Coyote explained my reasoning for calling perfectly. Had to double up sometime, pretty decent chance to do it with.

[SpeakEasy]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

I just started reading Cloutier's "No-Limit Tournaments" Championship Edition

Somewhat outdated. Advocates play that is usually way too tight. Does not account for the prevalence of LAG play that dominates online tournaments and is filtering into live tournaments (or was already there). Does not analyze the tough tournament situations that are more common (for example, too many AA practice hands).

[FetishGirl]

If he was very short of chips it was an automatic call/all-in... what does M 5 mean?

[w16227]

Originally Posted by FetishGirl

If he was very short of chips it was an automatic call/all-in... what does M 5 mean?

M is a calculation that was brought up in Harringtons book. Basically - a measure of how many times you can play around the table paying the blinds and anties. It is used as a relative strategy guide by the "name" pros - but until now had not been named.

Example (we will use a 10 player table to make the math easier)

200-400 blinds with a 50 ante. Once around the table costs 1100.

an "M" of 5 would be 5500 - or 5 rotations of the table.

M 5 or below = all in time. You need to push all in with any hand in a pot if you are 1st to enter. Do not even bother looking at your cards (OK - you need to, but we are simplifying this somewhat). If you let your M get much lower - then any all in move will be so non-threatening that you will most likely be called. Also - even a double up with an "M" of 1-2 does not help too much as you are still critically shortstacked.

5-10, you are in the "yellow" zone. You need to wait for strong cards - and be prepared to commit yourself.

10-20 is orange. You cannot play "Negranau" style, but are in no danger. Play your good hands strong - but you can exit the hand without ruining your tournament hopes.

20+ = green. Play any style of poker you like. Those 7-8 suited cards are OK (If you know how to play them).


This is a very simplified view of the concept. You would need to read the book to take this further. Hey - you did not ask aboiut Q.