[SpeakEasy]

Cash NLHE game, $1/$2 blinds, $200 max-buy-in. I have about $200+. MP1 has $68, and CO has $179. No reads on the players, as I just sat down and this is my first orbit.

I am UTG+1, and get Q Q. UTG folds, I raise to $7 total. MP1 calls, CO calls, all others fold.

Flop is A 9 5.

Pot is $24. I bet $20. MP1 and CO both just call.

Turn is (A 9 5) 5.

Pot is $84. I bet $41. MP1 calls $41 and is all-in. CO raises $111 more and is all in.

Pot is $318. Do you call another $111?

[Red_Rum]

You're on a draw to the 2nd nuts with 3:1 on your $111 call of 2 all ins. I hate having put in $75 to this pot to dump it, but I can't call this with only the draw to the Q.

I can't figure your QQ is good, as there's at least 1 ace or made flush here, if you had K Kx this might be a crying call - but I think too often you're drawing dead to a Q here.

Red_Rum

[VARoadstter]

Wow. Tough one.

My mind says throw it away but if I were sitting with you I believe I would have called it. I guess I'm no help at all.

Alright, this is what I put them on:

MP1 - I put him on a draw to the nut flush or two pair with a draw to a boat. He's got the K and something like offsuit J or T if he's drawing to his flush, and he's got a lower pp than you if he's drawing to the boat.

CO - He's got a flush. My best guess is he's holding J T

[vrecksler]

Tough one for me, especially since you have no information on the two other players in the pot.

I cannot fault any of your play, the pre-flop raise was reasonable for a high pocket pair and while one caller would be better, you have to be OK with two callers and most likely the best hand.

You bet nicely after the flop, and a dangerous flop if you have no clubs so I cannot imagine both players calling with something like bottom or middle pair. At this point I would think that you are up against a K high flush who is trapping, someone drawing to the K high flush, or perhaps two pair with one of them A's. Bottom two pair or a single pair here without a club seems an unlikely calling hand.

When the board pairs I like the half the pot sized bet, but after being called and then raised, I have to think that the Q's are dead, and there is a very good chance you are drawing dead. Both players have indicated a willingness to get their money in there despite your strong betting, so my inclination would be to fold and see what they have, if they have crap take advantage of it in successive rounds. Since one player is already all-in I would lay down the ladies and hope to see A full of 5's.

[TomHimself]

check turn

[Murf]

Your play preflop was solid, with a good PP a raise of about 3xBB was a good play. With two callers, I would have to atleast one of them on an Ace and a paint or a PP. Your flop bet was also solid, it gave the message you have a strong hand and that most of the draws should be laying it down. I would say that after two successive calls on the flop, one would have made top pair (aces) and I would put the other on a made flush (but not the nut flush).

When the board paired on the turn, you get into a sticky situation IMO. You are first to act, and with only a PP and a paired board you are really going to have to bet strong to represent a strong hand. When you get a call and then a raise all-in, you have to feel you are beat at that time. Without a read on the players it is hard to know for sure, but for the most part, I would say you are beat by atleast one (if not both) of them.

To make that call on the turn, you would have to be looking to catch one of the remaining Queens or a club to make your flush. I don't see you being beat by the nut flush here, because they would have raised you on the flop, but I would bet there is atleast one flush between the two of them, and/or a pair of Aces. When the five came, your bet to me represented either trips or two pair with an Ace, and that is why I could see something like a J T or 9 T pushing on the turn.

In the heat of the moment it may have seemed like a tough call, but I just can't see myself making this call here. You have already put plenty of money into the pot, but to commit nearly 3/4 of your remaining cash into a pot I can only see you winning if you catch a Queen or a club doesn't sound like a play I would make.

So, results? Did you call, and what were they holding?

[pager23]

Originally Posted by TomHimself

check turn

hmmm... I think I agree. They both seemed pretty eager to call your pot-sized bet after the flop, so throwing more money in just isn't a good idea. Having said that, you learned even more with your turn bet, and that is: get out while you still can.

I'm going to go opposite of VA and say that MP1 has KTc and CO came in with suited A5.

[SpaceMonkey]

I probably fold 70% of the time here and feel a little sick. The remaining 30% of the time I'd call and feel even sicker.

I don't think checking the turn is a good idea. You need to know where you stand at this point. Eh, maybe I'd actually fold 80% of the time.

[Audioflow]

I'm in agreement that the turn was played scared.
I think either a 2/3rds size bet should have been made, or a check (possibly a check raise, depends how the action falls).

The problem with the weak lead is that you're against 2 players, and you have no read. With two callers behind you after that flop. I'm probably not going to bet the turn.

However, if i DO bet it, i'm going to represent a strong ace, Maybe get them thinking AQ (or since they dont know you AJ), but the point is, i want them to feel that ace. Perhaps the over the top raiser was making an isolation play. If that's the case, more pressure would have stifled this.

Betting 1/2 pot, in my opinion, shows him that he can take this pot away from you and play it heads up with the all-in (and thus have no fear of being re-raised. In that case i could easily see K x)

[Limit Breaker]

Originally Posted by SpeakEasy

Cash NLHE game, $1/$2 blinds, $200 max-buy-in. I have about $200+. MP1 has $68, and CO has $179. No reads on the players, as I just sat down and this is my first orbit.

I am UTG+1, and get Q Q. UTG folds, I raise to $7 total. MP1 calls, CO calls, all others fold.

Flop is A 9 5.

Pot is $24. I bet $20. MP1 and CO both just call.

Turn is (A 9 5) 5.

Pot is $84. I bet $41. MP1 calls $41 and is all-in. CO raises $111 more and is all in.

Pot is $318. Do you call another $111?

I think your bet on the flop was wrong. You really didn't pick up much info there. With a board flush and an A, you should have checked. See who bets and then reraise them - sending out a message that you're strong. So if someone did have a low flush, they might fold. If someone calls or reraises, then you are sure your queens are probably no good anymore. It saves you the headache of facing another 2 bets and posibbly losing everything.