[Fins]

The hand that helped end class early for me again this week. At least they were put to good use... congrats Merlin14, nice playin'!

Looking for comments (probably admonishments ) on my play...

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown

PokerStars Game #2054812634: Tournament #9799475, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/07/07 - 22:18:49 (ET)
Table '9799475 2' Seat #2 is the button

JM) (t1875)
X-Files Button (t1375)
Craiture (t1700)
Merlin714 (t1490)
ddollevoet (t2015)
Omar64 (t995)
scottoc316 (t1110)
VARoadstter (t1440)

PREFLOP Level III (25/50)
Craiture is SB with J 8
1 fold, Omar64 raises to t100, 4 folds, Craiture calls t75, Merlin714 calls t50.

FLOP (t300) (3 players)
T 8 J
Craiture bets t200, Merlin714 calls t200, Omar64 calls t200.

TURN (t900) (3 players)
T 8 J 7
Craiture bets t400, Merlin714 calls t400, 1 fold.

RIVER (t1700) (2 players)
T 8 J 7 A
Craiture bets t300, Merlin714 raises to t790, 1 fold.

Final Pot: t2300

Side note: X - is lilil (PS name) really " JM) " ? Also, my CT name didn't get replaced... don't know if it's b/c I was the poster or just left out

TIA

[pager23]

I'll just take a wild stab and say that Merlin had the 9?

[edit] Oops. Didn't catch the "1 fold" there at the end - I just assumed you had removed the result. Good fold, IMO - not much you can do to avoid losing a good chunk of money on that hand.

[Merlin14]

Originally Posted by Fins

congrats Merlin14, nice playin'!

Thanks.

Oh yeah, I remember that. So Fin, you were Craiture? You swiped a nice pot from me too. I had trip J's on the flop and you called my raise on a flush draw. You got it too, but I just kept on raising didn't I (lol)?. I'm pretty sure that was you. Pretty much my worst set back all night.

So how do you get those hand breakdowns? Do you have to e-mail PS for them? I was looking around for hand histories. I don't usually play there, just signed up for the CT tourneys.

(so X-files is also JM, I'm confused... gonna have to go find that PS alias key somebody posted)

[pie taster]

I'm guessing merlin had A-10 in this hand.

All other combinations seem to point towards Merlin putting in a big raise on the turn in order to avoid the two flush draws.

Merlin.. You can request hand histories to be mailed to you or there is an Instant Hand History option on the Poker stars interface as well, which will write hand histories to your hard drive.

[vrecksler]

Originally Posted by pie taster

I'm guessing merlin had A-10 in this hand.

All other combinations seem to point towards Merlin putting in a big raise on the turn in order to avoid the two flush draws.

I disagree, since Merlin was the caller in every round except the river I cannot put him on A 10; would he continue to call with second pair? Craiture has bet at the pot on the flop, and the turn, and with a straight and flush out there I cannot see Merlin calling continually with second pair on that board. With a pair of tens I think he would have raised on the flop or turn to see where he stands, I mean with that board and A 10 in your hand even if you hit the river you could be drawing dead since another 10 or pairing your A is still beaten by a straight. Of course I am assuming that both players are solid and not new players who will feed the pot and chase draws despite the odds.

To me this suggests that Merlin had a drawing hand, a flush/straight draw on the flop maybe. Then on the turn when the straight card comes, Merlin calls because he wants to get one more round of betting and so far he can let Craiture do the raising. And it would be tough to put Craiture on a drawing hand due to all the betting, it is more likely he has a made hand but did not want to give free cards to a hand that would beat him. Then the river comes and no flush is there, Craiture fires again and Merlin raises because he knows his straight is now good but gives Craiture pot odds, hoping to get a call and a little more money.

At least that is my analysis, I sure would like to know what actually happened though!

[ddollevoet]

Hey look! I was the chip leader!!! Woohoo!

Too bad I was knocked out about 10 minutes later.

[Fins]

Originally Posted by Merlin14

Thanks.

Oh yeah, I remember that. So Fin, you were Craiture? You swiped a nice pot from me too. I had trip J's on the flop and you called my raise on a flush draw. You got it too, but I just kept on raising didn't I (lol)?. I'm pretty sure that was you. Pretty much my worst set back all night.

I don't think so... if this is the hand...

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown

PokerStars Game #2054610648: Tournament #9799475, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/07/07 - 21:54:39 (ET)
Table '9799475 2' Seat #2 is the button

lilil (t1570)
occabid Button (t1520)
Craiture (t1370)
Merlin714 (t1550)
ddollevoet (t1490)
Omar64 (t1430)
scottoc316 (t1640)
VARoadstter (t1430)

PREFLOP Level I (10/20)
Craiture is SB with Q 5
5 folds, occabid Button calls t20, 1 fold, Merlin714 raises to t80, occabid Button calls t60.

FLOP (t190) (2 players)
J Q J
Merlin714 bets t20, occabid Button raises to t80, Merlin714 calls t60.

TURN (t350) (2 players)
J Q J 5
Merlin714 checks, occabid Button bets t100, Merlin714 raises to t200, occabid Button raises to t300, Merlin714 calls t100.

RIVER (t1050) (2 players)
J Q J 5 A
Merlin714 checks, occabid Button bets t400, Merlin714 calls t400.

Final Pot: t1730

Originally Posted by Merlin14

So how do you get those hand breakdowns? Do you have to e-mail PS for them? I was looking around for hand histories.

Request an e-mail from the lobby...

Originally Posted by Merlin14

(so X-files is also JM, I'm confused... gonna have to go find that PS alias key somebody posted)

X-Files = Occabluff... lilil = JM

[pie taster]

Fins?

What about the first hand???

What was the outcome?

[Merlin14]

Originally Posted by Fins

I don't think so... if this is the hand...

Nope, that wasn't it. I distinctly remember the cards looking like this:

J J Q

and I never checked that hand. Must notta been you

[Fins]

Originally Posted by schmag

I disagree, since Merlin was the caller in every round except the river I cannot put him on A 10; would he continue to call with second pair? Craiture has bet at the pot on the flop, and the turn, and with a straight and flush out there I cannot see Merlin calling continually with second pair on that board. With a pair of tens I think he would have raised on the flop or turn to see where he stands, I mean with that board and A 10 in your hand even if you hit the river you could be drawing dead since another 10 or pairing your A is still beaten by a straight. Of course I am assuming that both players are solid and not new players who will feed the pot and chase draws despite the odds.

To me this suggests that Merlin had a drawing hand, a flush/straight draw on the flop maybe. Then on the turn when the straight card comes, Merlin calls because he wants to get one more round of betting and so far he can let Craiture do the raising. And it would be tough to put Craiture on a drawing hand due to all the betting, it is more likely he has a made hand but did not want to give free cards to a hand that would beat him. Then the river comes and no flush is there, Craiture fires again and Merlin raises because he knows his straight is now good but gives Craiture pot odds, hoping to get a call and a little more money.

At least that is my analysis, I sure would like to know what actually happened though!

At the time I was thinking J-9 (or A-9 on the flush draw maybe?).... Merlin??

I guess the preflop call was questionable with no limps & 1 min raiser but I fig'd I'd gamboool.
On that board I felt I should have raised the pot (not 2/3) but I thought I'd wait til the turn which was no help

Bet the turn to see where I was and got a call... immediately thought uh oh 9! (seemed like a bigger monster under the bed, maybe)... just didn't think he had the flush draw for some reason.

Wanted to check the river but thought if he missed his flush being short stacked he might risk an all-in bluff so I bet the least amount I thought would keep all but the 9 from pushing. Wasn't sure this bet was a good one given my stack size at the time (took me from 1000 ==> 700). Also, felt I had odds to call the river but didn't want to call myself out of the tourney and I _really_ thought he had the 9 but who knows could of been a nice bluff or TPGK thinkin' I was pushin' a draw.