[imthatguy]

So I just finished reading HEFAP by Sklansky and Malmuth and I'm down 50 BB in just under two days! What gives?

Part of me thinks that I'm second guessing myself and my play, based on what the book is telling me. Less checking and more betting is not winning me the pots. It seems like miracles always hit the river, I'm getting a little sick of it. Anyone have any ideas?

[Niagara_All_In]

You playing like this in home games or Online?

Try and choose your oponents that you bet into, remember you can't bluff or force out the bad players and that "river" will get you every so often with them.

I know I was in a bad loosing streak in my home games and all I needed to do was to watch the players and remember who I could raise or bet into to fold.

Personally I dont like playing big pots I would rather win alot of little pots.

For example in last nights hamoe tourney I was down to about 1400 in chips with the other 2 players left had about 8000 each. The blinds were 200-400 at that point and just with a few blind steals I was back in action. At the end of the night I ended up winning the tourney with all the little pots that I won while the other 2 would help take each other out with the big pots they played against each other.

I am in no way a pro or even close to it lol but I would consider myself an OK player and if I can give you any edvice just let me know. I am sure there are things we could learn from eachother. Hey you are in TO maybe if you get the chance you can come down to one of your Tourney's. Its not that far away as we are in St.catharines.

[dad604]

For small stakes limit holdem, HFAP is not the book. It is geared more towards higher limits and is also not as up to date as other books.

"Small Stakes......" by Miller, Sklansky, Malmuth is gear for up to 30/60 limited holdem and is current info for today's game. I personally know a player who turn pro and making over 6 digits a year just using principles from this book.

[imthatguy]

I guess that's the problem... I read the wrong book! Heh, I knew that SS was a better book, and probably should have read that first. Thanks for the tip. As for the games in St. Catharines, PM Sent!

[chip-addict]

You may also consider reading "The poker player's bible" by Lou Krieger. It is not specific to hold'em but it teaches easy ways to figure odds on the fly and in the heat of battle. This book, if nothing else, taught me how to fold. This book works better for cash games, not so much in tourney play. When/if I figure out why I will post.

[yeltzen]

You have to figure out what kind of game you're playing it. If it's loose/passive, HEPFAP isn't going to help you. That book assumes you're playing against players who are trying, and loose/passive games (i.e. the majority of games .25/.50 - 10/20) aren't like that. These players aren't thinking about what you're doing, what the pot odds are, etc. They just want action. Small Stakes Hold'em and Internet Texas Hold'em would help you more.

[b_b_special]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

You have to figure out what kind of game you're playing it. If it's loose/passive, HEPFAP isn't going to help you. That book assumes you're playing against players who are trying, and loose/passive games (i.e. the majority of games .25/.50 - 10/20) aren't like that. These players aren't thinking about what you're doing, what the pot odds are, etc. They just want action. Small Stakes Hold'em and Internet Texas Hold'em would help you more.

Are these books geared more toward limit or NL? seems that there are not many that deal w/ NL cash games (or NL tourneys either! except for HOH, of course).

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by b_b_special

Are these books geared more toward limit or NL? seems that there are not many that deal w/ NL cash games (or NL tourneys either! except for HOH, of course).

They're geared ONLY towards limit. The only book geared totally towards NL ring games is Pot Limit and No Limit Poker by Ciaffone and Reuben. You could use HOH or Super System if you really wanted to, but they are definitely meant for tournaments. Definitely DO NOT use HEPFAP, ITH, or SSH for NL ring games unless you really feel like losing.

[b_b_special]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

They're geared ONLY towards limit. The only book geared totally towards NL ring games is Pot Limit and No Limit Poker by Ciaffone and Reuben. You could use HOH or Super System if you really wanted to, but they are definitely meant for tournaments. Definitely DO NOT use HEPFAP, ITH, or SSH for NL ring games unless you really feel like losing.

Thanks, Yeltzen.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by b_b_special

Thanks, Yeltzen.

No problem. If there's on thing I know, it's poker books. I have the bank statements to prove it.