[brianseto]

Hi guys

I played at a local tourney yesterday, and was knocked out in the first hand on what I think is a bad beat. Here's how it went:

100/200 blinds

I was in the small blind. My cards were

10c- 7h

Pre-flop, everyone limped in since it was the first hand. Even though my hand was garbage, I called the big blind since it was cheap.

flop was:

10h-9s-7s

I flopped two pair, but wanted to get some action, although I was a little afraid of the straight out there, so I bet 600 to test the waters.

The guy across from me raised to 1200.

I looked at him, decided that he didn't have the straight, and called. Everyone else folded.

Turn:

3s

He bet all in.

I took my time and thought about it, and thought about it, finally decided he didn't have the flush and called.

I was right...he turned over a

Jd-7d

So he had bottom pair, and a straight DRAW (an inside straight draw no less) and the guy bets all in? Is this a logical play?

Anyway, the river came up

8d

Can you believe that?!! I feel good that I think I made the right call, and he rivers one of the two cards that could help him. I found out later from two other players that they had both folded 8's too. So the chances of the 8 coming up were ridiculously low.

Did I play that correctly? Or was I an idiot?

Let me know what you think.

Brian

[jojobinks]

this looks just like the other post today.

this is, indeed, a bad beat. and he made the bad play, not you. i guess i mighta called in this situation, if i knew this guy was a habitual bluffer.

now, some buts:
-top and bottom pair is really vulnerable.
-this looks most to me like a set
-there are possible both a straight and a flush on board.

[brianseto]

Hi jojo

Thanks for the quick reply.

Yes, the flush on the board and the possible straight on the board were a bit scary, but I think I read him right.

Unfortunately, it was the first hand of the tourney and I had never played that guy before.

I had a bad beat at the last tourney something like that one too.

I was holding J-10 suited

The flop:

10-7-8 rainbow

Bet the pot. (had top pair, and the guy that I was playing against is a notorious bluffer) Got called.

6 turn

I bet the pot again. He thought about it for a long time, then calls me all in.

He turns his cards:

K-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel good when I flip top pair over.

guess what the damn river is?

a KING!

It's damn amazing how lucky card chasers seem to get at these tourneys.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by brianseto

Yes, the flush on the board and the possible straight on the board were a bit scary, but I think I read him right.

Unfortunately, it was the first hand of the tourney and I had never played that guy before.

Wow. There's no way I'd call an all in on the very first hand against someone I've never played a single hand against. I'm just not that certain with my reads. Even if I were 99% certain, I don't make that call in this particular situation. Someone who plays like that, you just file the information away and wait for a better situation where you have a stronger hand on a safer board.

I'm guessing you started off with 10k in chips?

[thebrokenone]

There are so many hands that had you beat post flop plus the flush and straight draws. I think I'd definitely call the 1200 raise, but fold to the all-in bet when the 3rd spade hits. Just too many ways to be beat there, and, unless you've played w/ him and know his style, he's given you no real reason not to think you're beat. Dump the hand, you should still have plenty of chips left.

[Limit Breaker]

If you made one mistake, it was that you called from the small blind after so many people limped in.

I would not call in that situation with that hand because you have to assume that even if you land top pair on the flop, it's still a difficult call since your kicker is a lowly 7. Someone can have J/10 offsuit and decided to call.

But after the flop, I think yuo made the right call. You were put into an impossible situation. I would have done the same. Betting 3x the big blind is good. You had him dominated but just got unlucky. It happens.

The other night, I raised with Pocket 2s one guy called. On the flop came 2 2 J. The guy calls all-in. I call. He's got Jacks full but I have him beat. On the turn is a crappy 8 that does nothing. On the River comes the last J. Yay me.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Limit Breaker

If you made one mistake, it was that you called from the small blind after so many people limped in.

I would not call in that situation with that hand because you have to assume that even if you land top pair on the flop, it's still a difficult call since your kicker is a lowly 7. Someone can have J/10 offsuit and decided to call.

With 8 people limping in front of you, it would be a mistake not to complete from the SB.

Of course at the same time thinking that making TP against a field of 10 would be a betting or even calling hand would indeed be a mistake.

No, the OP played it fine until the call of the all in on the turn.

[brianseto]

Hi guys

Thanks for all the replies.

I don't think it was a mistake playing from the SB with a bunch of people limping in. I don't see why not, esp. since I already had half the bet in the pot already anyway. Ah well.

I think both players got incredibly lucky. I just feel good in knowing that my instincts in these two instances were good.

Of course, i later found out that the first guy that I talked about was pretty much an aggressive bad amateur...raising everything, calling a lot of all-ins to steal pots...my dad was playing the same tourney on a fluke, and he said that the guy was a crappy player who happened to have a lot of good luck.

Of course, since the guy got a 9th place finish, maybe that's another strategy to try...

[brianseto]

By the way, limit breaker...

Now I feel bad complaining about a bad beat. YOU probably got the worst beat I've ever seen. You have my sympathies, man.

[KYBill]

Why would you play those starting hands so early in a tournament?

I think your just asking for trouble.