[R Deckard]

This is more for entertainment than discussion, but feel free to comment:

• PokerStars Game #1866280153: Tournament #8807961, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/06/09 - 19:26:50 (ET)
  Table '8807961 1' Seat #6 is the button
  Seat 2: Wired Eights (1785 in chips)
  Seat 3: wheelman01 (1440 in chips)
  Seat 4: SimmaTime (3550 in chips)
  Seat 5: ssteve (535 in chips)
  Seat 6: Stusie13 (1650 in chips)
  Seat 7: zuulo (1615 in chips)
  Seat 8: Deckard26354 (1375 in chips)
  Seat 9: cola82 (1550 in chips)
  zuulo: posts small blind 25
  Deckard26354: posts big blind 50
  *** HOLE CARDS ***
  Dealt to Deckard26354 [Ah As]
  cola82: calls 50
  Wired Eights: folds
  wheelman01: calls 50
  SimmaTime: folds
  ssteve: calls 50
  Stusie13: folds
  zuulo: calls 25
  Deckard26354: raises 150 to 200
  cola82: calls 150
  wheelman01: calls 150
  ssteve: raises 335 to 535 and is all-in
  {Comment: Well, at least he got it all in before the flop. . .}
  zuulo: calls 485
  {Comment: This zuulo guy was such an @55, but sooo firkin lucky, you'll see what I mean}
  Deckard26354: raises 840 to 1375 and is all-in
  cola82: calls 1175
  wheelman01: folds
  zuulo: calls 840
  {Comment: Oh, nice calls guys. . . or do you think I'm on a steal?}
  *** FLOP *** [7h Jh 3h]
  
  
  
  zuulo: bets 240 and is all-in
  {Comment: great. . . flopped his flush. . . looks like I'm a goner. . . luck vs. skill. . .}
  cola82: calls 175 and is all-in
  *** TURN *** [7h Jh 3h] [3c]
  *** RIVER *** [7h Jh 3h 3c] [Ad]
  *** SHOW DOWN ***
  zuulo: shows [Th 4h] (a flush, Jack high)
  cola82: shows [Js Qs] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
  
  
  
  Deckard26354 said, "sweeeeeeet"
  zuulo collected 350 from side pot-2
  Deckard26354: shows [Ah As] (a full house, Aces full of Threes)
  Deckard26354 collected 2520 from side pot-1
  ssteve: shows [Kc Tc] (a pair of Threes)
  Deckard26354 collected 2340 from main pot
  *** SUMMARY ***
  Total pot 5210 Main pot 2340. Side pot-1 2520. Side pot-2 350. | Rake 0
  Board [7h Jh 3h 3c Ad]
  Seat 2: Wired Eights folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  Seat 3: wheelman01 folded before Flop
  Seat 4: SimmaTime folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  Seat 5: ssteve showed [Kc Tc] and lost with a pair of Threes
  Seat 6: Stusie13 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  Seat 7: zuulo (small blind) showed [Th 4h] and won (350) with a flush, Jack high
  Seat 8: Deckard26354 (big blind) showed [Ah As] and won (4860) with a full house, Aces full of Threes
  Seat 9: cola82 showed [Js Qs] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Threes

Occasionally, there is justice in the world.

BTW, I ended up busting out at the final table, right on the bubble, as usual.

[Kalimba]

Interesting (and entertaining) read. I honestly haven't been playing seriously for very long (think months, not years), but I've found pocket Aces to be very deceptive. Sure, they're the best of all two-card hands, but anything can (and -- I've found -- often does) happen on the flop. Your story illustrates this perfectly. The only time I'd feel OK about going all-in, pre-flop with AA is if I were short-stacked, but that's just me.

BTW, of course you'd expect "zuulo" to be an a$$. S/he has a lion for an avatar! "I am LION, hear me roar!!!!"

[R Deckard]

Originally Posted by Kalimba

BTW, of course you'd expect "zuulo" to be an a$$. S/he has a lion for an avatar! "I am LION, hear me roar!!!!"

He finally got busted out about seven hands later. . . I am puss, hear me meow.

[scottoc]

Ive got a good A,A river story from Fri. nights tourny. T10,000 tourny. 4 players left blinds at 2000/4000. Raise to 10k under the gun w/ around 22k stack. Fold, fold. BB has me covered by around 6k and starts debating. Then says, " I know you have a big pair but I'll put you all in." Rolls 6,6. OK, you know I have a high pr but you willingly go all in a 4:1 underdog???? Flop comes 3,........6 Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu** 10 Turn 4. River...............A!!!!!!!! Ended up choppin' 1,2

[vanquish]

Originally Posted by Kalimba

Interesting (and entertaining) read. I honestly haven't been playing seriously for very long (think months, not years), but I've found pocket Aces to be very deceptive. Sure, they're the best of all two-card hands, but anything can (and -- I've found -- often does) happen on the flop. Your story illustrates this perfectly. The only time I'd feel OK about going all-in, pre-flop with AA is if I were short-stacked, but that's just me.

Ouch. Anything can happen on the flop. In this particular case, Deckard was called by some very, just really really bad players. And the fact that these players are just so incredibly, astoundingly bad created a situation where he was, pre-flop, a 58% favorite to win the hand. After the flop, he was 34% to win and after the turn he was 28% to win. (From Two Dimes.) Normally, though, people are not tumbling, tumbling morons (tell me what movie that is from and you get a cookie) and you'll get maybe one call. Maybe two calls. Either way, and this is the only thing that matters at all - you will be way ahead. You will be as high as a ~90% favorite. That's how you make money at poker.

I guess my question is this. What would you feel OK about going all-in with? Why are you afraid of getting all of your money in as the favorite. That's the best any poker player can ask for.

[ahopen78]

Originally Posted by vanquish

Ouch. Anything can happen on the flop. In this particular case, Deckard was called by some very, just really really bad players. And the fact that these players are just so incredibly, astoundingly bad created a situation where he was, pre-flop, a 58% favorite to win the hand. After the flop, he was 34% to win and after the turn he was 28% to win. (From Two Dimes.) Normally, though, people are not tumbling, tumbling morons (tell me what movie that is from and you get a cookie) and you'll get maybe one call. Maybe two calls. Either way, and this is the only thing that matters at all - you will be way ahead. You will be as high as a ~90% favorite. That's how you make money at poker.

I guess my question is this. What would you feel OK about going all-in with? Why are you afraid of getting all of your money in as the favorite. That's the best any poker player can ask for.

Yesterday on Empirepoker I was dealt pocket aces on $100 NL Cash Table in mid position.

I had about $150 in front of me.

1 caller before me.
I raise it to $15 (this table has been playing pretty aggresive so i don't want to scare everyone out).

1 caller after me and then the button makes it $45 to go.
everyone folds to me so I go all-in.
the button (who had me covered) calls.

Flop:

K,4,9

Turn:

7

River:

K

He had pocket Kings for the 4 of a kind...

[vanquish]

Yeah it does suck, but we've all had our Aces cracked. Often several times. Bad beats happen. But the key is that they happen exactly as often as statistics indicate they will. If you play them right (by raising a decent amount before the flop and excercising your brain on the flop and beyond) then you will make money in the long run with Aces.

Surely you were thrilled to see his KK after he called your all-in? You were 80%+ to win, so that's, ya know, the best place to be.