[Limit Breaker]

.... You know, the ones who won't fold a pair no matter what happens.

Here I was playing with a guy one a hand. I raised from middle position with suited 8-9h. All fold except one guy. He calls.

On the Flop: 6h, Kc, Qh comes up. He raises a small amount. If he hit a set, he probably would've checked. I'm thinking, well, it's a small bet, and I have a flush draw. I'm not gonna fold. So I re-raise him. Doubling his bet. He calls. Now I'm thinking he's either on a flush draw himself or has at least 2 Kings.

Turn is a 2d, he checks. I check behind him incase he's trapping me with 2 Kings or even pair of KQ. I'd bet big here but I have nothing. Still waiting for that heart to show up.

River is a another Ks. He checks. I missed my flush and he has me beat. I decided not to bet as the pot wasn't worth it and I figured he would've called me anyway. We show cards. He has a Jc 6c.



He called my re-raise with a pair of 6 with 2 overcards on the board and my pre-flop raise.



Note: He was the 2nd guy broke. Went all in with a 10-9 suited against a monster raise of pocket Aces from another guy.

[jojobinks]

i love these guys. they'll always pay me off when i have a hand. what i don't do is try to bluff or semi-bluff them.

stay tuned for smoore's upcoming series of strat articles for soft home games.

[Novikan]

that is nothing.... i was playing a nl tourney the other night at my friends... i was sitting pretty good about in 3rd position only like a 500$ margin between me and first which isnt much for the chips out... and i catch aces preflop... raise it a good amout and i get re-raised by the chip leader.... knowing that i have him dominated i go all in pre-flop... he calls... flips over 5 2 offsuite.... makes a straight on the river... i was pissed.... so i buy back in to try to win my money back (mistake, never play mad or for revenge). and i'm getting short stacked but still have enough to make a good bet to chase people out and steal the blinds... so i go all in with pocket 10s.... the same guy calls me with a better hand this time... but only Q2 suited.... flop hits and makes him trip queens and just like that i am knocked out twice.... those have got to be the worse beats i've seen in a while

[Niagara_All_In]

Well I have seen these players before. heres prolly what he was thinking.

Depending on stack size and the amount of the raise and current pot.....

He has low pair and might think you are bluffing, he also has 3 clubs and could hope for a miracle runner runner. Since you both checked on 4th and 5th street he might have really thought his 6's were good and indeed they are. In the end he lost his money and was busted out but really he did have you thinking he had top pair or better.

Just my 2cents

[R Deckard]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

stay tuned for smoore's upcoming series of strat articles for soft home games.

Actually, this is a damn good idea, seriously. I think smoore is one of the most sound and articulate players on this board, and I think he has a lot to offer in terms of poker strategy advice.

[dad604]

I love playing with guys like that. That is the type that pays for most of my profit in this game.

[chipper57AA]

While we all hate to see this happen to us, perhaps it would help to try to see the hand from their point of view and try to understand why they bet the way they did (in hindsite).

First of all, he decided to go out on a limb and play a poor suited hand (mistake #1), you raise him - he figures if the amount to call is low (1 bet) then he'll see the flop no matter what to see if he can catch a flush draw. You had the correct assumption on this guy here. He knew you raised. To a novice player - he figures that you probably have something like an Ace and King (or at least thats what he hopes you have instead of big pocket pairs).

The flop comes. His 1st instinct is - Hey, I got a pair. And if that guy has an Ace-King then I'm ahead of him. (Again - flawed thinking) But just in case he has a pair - he'll check and call and try for trips or a long-shot straight. "He's thinking - Hey I got outs!"

The turn is not scarely so he's staying in but now only for trips (or still hoping you didn't have a pocket pair).

The river comes and now he's got to be wondering if you have that King in your hand. He checks with possibly intending to fold if you bet out - but you didn't. Since you didn't have a pair - there's not a good reason here to bet.

So from his point of view - perhaps he made a good play. Afterall, he won didn't he? Lol.


So what can you do with these guys? Play them for all you can get out of them. They'll be lucky everyonce in a while, but as you say - he was out early on.

But ask yourself this - can you say you've never done the same thing yourself before?
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[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by R Deckard

Actually, this is a damn good idea, seriously. I think smoore is one of the most sound and articulate players on this board, and I think he has a lot to offer in terms of poker strategy advice.

i wasn't joking. we've been talking/working on this idea for a couple of weeks.

[Coleman]

Take a breath.
you like poker.

just remember one thing...

You can't bluff a bad player.

Have you ever heard that?

Why do you think you've heard that?

because it's true?

Because you can't bluff a bad player?

OK, relax a minute.

take another breath.

Listen....

Don't do it anymore.

even with a semibluff.

Don't bluff a bad player.

you can't.

Hello?

I have one thing to say here.

here it is:

DON'T BLUFF A BAD PLAYER.

now, what did I just tell you?

can you remember?

hm?

[TomHimself]

Originally Posted by dad604

I love playing with guys like that. That is the type that pays for most of my profit in this game.

limit what does your mini raise accomplish? your not going to get him to fold any hands with that