[R Deckard]

This is almost just a typical whining, bad beat post, with long hand histories. So be forewarned. Although, if you have any constructive comments on my play, please provide them. I know my post-flop play leaves much to be desired.

Anyway, one reason I'm posting this is I haven't played online in many months, because I lose too much money. So I signed-up today on PS just to play in our Chiptalk tourney, and figure I might as well try to refresh my skills and work off my deposit bonus. Well, guess what, I have lost like $100 in less than 20 minutes!

PokerStars Game #1773203710: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/05/26 - 19:43:25 (ET)
Table 'Gacrux II' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: grrouchie ($55.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Goats-R-Us ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 3: 11outs ($20.30 in chips)
Seat 4: raake ($36.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Nevets19 ($47.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Deckard26354 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 7: brothab816 ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Mikefella ($25.50 in chips)
Seat 9: cashiskingen ($31.65 in chips)
Deckard26354: posts small blind $0.25
brothab816: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Deckard26354 [Kh Ks]
Mikefella: folds
cashiskingen: raises $0.50 to $1
grrouchie: calls $1
Goats-R-Us: folds
11outs: calls $1
raake: folds
Nevets19: folds
Deckard26354: raises $3 to $4
brothab816: folds
cashiskingen: calls $3
grrouchie: calls $3
11outs: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh 7h 8s]
Deckard26354: bets $6
cashiskingen: calls $6
grrouchie: calls $6
*** TURN *** [Qh 7h 8s] [9s]
Deckard26354: bets $9.50 and is all-in
cashiskingen: calls $9.50
grrouchie: calls $9.50
*** RIVER *** [Qh 7h 8s 9s] [6c]
cashiskingen: checks
grrouchie: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Deckard26354: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)
cashiskingen: mucks hand
grrouchie: shows [6h 5h] (a straight, Five to Nine)
grrouchie collected $57.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $60 | Rake $2.90
Board [Qh 7h 8s 9s 6c]
Seat 1: grrouchie showed [6h 5h] and won ($57.10) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 2: Goats-R-Us folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: 11outs folded before Flop
Seat 4: raake folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Nevets19 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Deckard26354 (small blind) showed [Kh Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: brothab816 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Mikefella folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cashiskingen mucked [Jc Jd]


PokerStars Game #1773288131: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/05/26 - 19:56:21 (ET)
Table 'Nuwa' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: p0lar ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Only Smitty ($15.25 in chips)
Seat 3: sfgoodfella ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 4: ACholder ($22.80 in chips)
Seat 5: campbecc ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 6: xorbie ($57.45 in chips)
Seat 7: ICTBOB ($28.20 in chips)
Seat 8: Deckard26354 ($8 in chips)
Seat 9: chuckydogg ($2.95 in chips)
chuckydogg: posts small blind $0.10
p0lar: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Deckard26354 [Kd Ks]
Only Smitty: calls $0.25
sfgoodfella: folds
ACholder: folds
campbecc: folds
xorbie: folds
ICTBOB: folds
Deckard26354: raises $0.75 to $1
chuckydogg: folds
p0lar: calls $0.75
Only Smitty: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [9s Th 2d]
p0lar: checks
Only Smitty: checks
Deckard26354: bets $3
p0lar: folds
Only Smitty: raises $4 to $7
Deckard26354: calls $4 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9s Th 2d] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [9s Th 2d 4d] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Only Smitty: shows [Ts 9d] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Deckard26354: shows [Kd Ks] (a pair of Kings)
Only Smitty collected $16.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.10 | Rake $0.80
Board [9s Th 2d 4d As]
Seat 1: p0lar (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Only Smitty showed [Ts 9d] and won ($16.30) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 3: sfgoodfella folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ACholder folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: campbecc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: xorbie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ICTBOB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Deckard26354 (button) showed [Kd Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: chuckydogg (small blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #1773300527: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/05/26 - 19:58:16 (ET)
Table 'Nuwa' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: p0lar ($20.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Only Smitty ($22.55 in chips)
Seat 3: sfgoodfella ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 4: ACholder ($22.55 in chips)
Seat 5: campbecc ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 6: xorbie ($57.45 in chips)
Seat 7: ICTBOB ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 8: Deckard26354 ($10 in chips)
Seat 9: chuckydogg ($2.85 in chips)
Only Smitty: posts small blind $0.10
sfgoodfella: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Deckard26354 [Ac 5c]
ACholder: folds
campbecc: folds
xorbie: folds
ICTBOB: folds
Deckard26354: calls $0.25
chuckydogg: calls $0.25
ACholder leaves the table
p0lar is disconnected
p0lar has timed out while disconnected
p0lar: folds
p0lar is sitting out
ICTBOB said, "."
Only Smitty: calls $0.15
sfgoodfella: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Qc 9c]
Only Smitty: checks
jaym3 joins the table at seat #4
sfgoodfella: bets $0.50
Deckard26354: raises $0.50 to $1
chuckydogg: raises $1.60 to $2.60 and is all-in
Only Smitty: folds
sfgoodfella: folds
Deckard26354: calls $1.60
*** TURN *** [4h Qc 9c] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [4h Qc 9c 4d] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Deckard26354: shows [Ac 5c] (a flush, Ace high)
chuckydogg: shows [Th Qd] (a full house, Fours full of Queens)

chuckydogg collected $6.40 from pot
Only Smitty said, "oh boy"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.70 | Rake $0.30
Board [4h Qc 9c 4d 4c]
Seat 1: p0lar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Only Smitty (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: sfgoodfella (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: ACholder folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: campbecc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: xorbie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ICTBOB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Deckard26354 showed [Ac 5c] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: chuckydogg showed [Th Qd] and won ($6.40) with a full house, Fours full of Queens

Also, something is weird with phpbb, typing 4 and c together results in 4c

[SpaceMonkey]

First hand, you didn't raise enough preflop. But you got two callers, and then a coordinated board with 2 hearts, not good. A pot sized bet or a bit more is what you want to do here. Another underbet. Two callers. Turn card gives JT a straight. With two others in this hand, I'd probably either check/fold or check/call.

Second hand I also think you didn't raise enough pre-flop. You also should have reloaded before this hand if you had the money. Regardless, after the flop is fine, you just got out-flopped.

Third hand you played A5s.

[hulber]

The first hand you saw the straight and still went all-in with a pair.

Second hand again I think you put too much value in your pair, out of position against a raise after the flop. You can't think the raise was on a pair of tens. The only chance to get the 9T out is to bet more pre-flop.

On the third hand you ended up with a nice hand but you have to question calling the all-in without a pair.

[dad604]

I read that PS is one of the site that have tougher players. Why not pick a site with more fish such as party.

[smoore]

First KK: I can make a case for pushing on the flop here with a draw heavy board. You figure to be ahead, push your edge. I definitely bet at least 2/3 the pot.

Second KK: wow, bummer. oh well, soldier on.

A5s: that is unfortunate too. I could go either way on the allin call depending on my read of the player. You aren't getting the right price but it's pretty close and if he's steaming I call almost every time.

I like your preflop raises but the postflop raises need some more oomph. Keep raising preflop like that with KK and keep limping with A5s if they will let you see it for a BB. Might put a note on the people that will limp with the upper trash hands like "don't let them limp!"

[Q10 soooted]

Hand 1 - Your PF raise was probably fine but if you didn't want 2 callers you could have raised more.
There's $13 in the pot and you bet out $6 after the flop. This is enough to push a tight player of an OESD or flush draw if they have nothing else, but
The OESD + flush guy had 17 outs or 2.76:1 to call (if he wants to count all of his outs to the baby flush). When your post-flop bet was called and there was $25 in the pot he had an EASY call. Note that in order to NOT give him odds here you'd pretty much have to go all in for your last $15.50 and have the second person fold.
The moral of this is that you're always going to pay off to this guy playing 6h, 5h on this particular flop unless you push after the flop and don't get outdrawn, but you're $6 post flop bet wasn't bad.
Betting $9.50 into a $31 pot at the turn doesn't make sense to me. Now you have straights galore showing on the board and 2 flush draws. No one is going to fold to your bet. I think you should check the turn & you might be able to get away from the hand if someone comes back at you.

Hand 2 - good 4xBB PF and pot-sized flop bets. The guys an idiot who hit a lucky flop. *shrug*

Hand 3 - I see 3.25 in the pot when you called the 1.60 bet. Unless you thought you were ahead you had 9 flush outs or 9/47 odds 5.2:1. Easy fold on the all in behind your minimum raise. If he beat you with QQ when your flush didn't come this wouldn't have hurt so much but you were still behind and didn't have odds.

[Q10 soooted]

Originally Posted by smoore

...keep limping with A5s if they will let you see it for a BB. Might put a note on the people that will limp with the upper trash hands like "don't let them limp!"

Guess he should put a note on himself that says 'don't let me limp!'

I like 65s and and probably T9o better than A5s. Both are easier to play post flop and are hit or miss type hands (as evidenced by the 2 people that played them, hit their flops, & won with them)

[Midnight sun]

Unlucky mate...but not as much as a guy I played against earlier today. Shortstacked guy bets something like 3xbb out of early position in a 6 person NL-Hold'em table. One caller up to me on the button, I hold and decides to make a re-raise...for another 3 or 4 times bb. Shortstacked moves all-in, guy in the middle folds and I call...it's not that much money for me and besides, I have a quite strong hand. He turns over . Well...i get extremly lucky and catches a runner runner flush in a pot that splits like 98% of the time.

Guy re-loades the minimum amount and quickly moves all-in when it's his turn. Another guy calls. Mr.Unlucky turns over pocket aces and the caller shows AK. Do I need to say that the turn and river makes a straight for the guy who called?

Actually felt for the guy, talk about getting beat up badly for two hands in a row.

[smoore]

Originally Posted by Q10 soooted

I like 65s and and probably T9o better than A5s. Both are easier to play post flop and are hit or miss type hands (as evidenced by the 2 people that played them, hit their flops, & won with them)

I limp all three of those hands if I think I'll get to see the flop. I agree that the connectors are easier to play postflop but I don't fall in love with TPNK very easily.

[smoore]

Originally Posted by Q10 soooted

Hand 3 - I see 3.25 in the pot when you called the 1.60 bet. Unless you thought you were ahead you had 9 flush outs or 9/47 odds 5.2:1. Easy fold on the all in behind your minimum raise. If he beat you with QQ when your flush didn't come this wouldn't have hurt so much but you were still behind and didn't have odds.

pot is $5.10 and Hero has to call $1.60 or about 3.2:1

7 outs (discount two outs for board pairing if we assume we are behind to trips) with two cards to come is about 2.6:1. If we assume we are behind TPGK we take 9 outs and we only need 1.9:1 to call.

Now that I've actually looked at the numbers, I was incorrect above. Folding here is a clear mistake.