[Murf]

Originally Posted by CaptLego

At any rate, I think the conclusion is that the best strategy is to be dealt pocket aces every hand.

I concur.

[R Deckard]

jojo,

I'm still referring to my original, hypothetical situation, which was a freezeout T1000 tourney, where you are down to 80 chips and your opponents each have over 1000 chips (i.e. they about equally distributed your chips amongst themselves), and the blinds are 10 & 20, you are UTG with AA.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by R Deckard

jojo,

I'm still referring to my original, hypothetical situation, which was a freezeout T1000 tourney, where you are down to 80 chips and your opponents each have over 1000 chips (i.e. they about equally distributed your chips amongst themselves), and the blinds are 10 & 20, you are UTG with AA.

than i agree with smoore's comments above. if you're unhappy with everyone calling, then you need to find 3-4 strong EV situations to pull back even. with few chips and escalating blinds, you don't get to pick your spots anymore.

the idea that you'd not want callers at that point is (excuse me for saying this) just wrong.

[CaptLego]

Originally Posted by R Deckard

So it still seems to me that if your stack is small, you probably only want 2-3 callers at the most to your all-in with AA pre-flop.

This debate seems moot to me, since you don't really have any control over how many callers you'll get for your all-in bet.

But,
If you're short stacked with AA, and there are already more than 3 players in the pot, would you call all-in or would you fold?

You think a better opportunity will come around before you get blinded out?

[jojobinks]

good point about flipping the situation, lego:

if there are 3 in the pot before me, my choice is an 80 chip all in to win 240.

against three random hands, i'm 64% to win. (64!)

sixty four per cent of the time i win 240 and 36% of the time i lose 80.
(.64*240) - (.36*80) =
153.6 - 28.8 = 124.8 (expected value from this bet)

i understand your point, deck, that you're out of the tournament .36 of the time. that's sort of the situation, though, when you get yourself down to 80 chips.

i appreciate your willingness to debate, deck (see the yeltzen situation), but this seems like another lost cause to me. picking your spots is fine when you can handle a few rounds of blinds. this isn't that situation.

[VARoadstter]

Here's a well written article about the topic of slowplaying a hand. Not exactly the point of this thread but related. Interesting read:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/3597182

[chipper57AA]

I had two experiences with pocket rockets this weekend in some online tournaments.

1) Was playing in a 3-table SnG tourney on Stars, got the rockets on the Button. I was table leader at that point. Two limpers in front. I raise 5x and the blinds fold, one limper folds and the other goes all-in and I call. Cards are turned over and the limper has pocket Tens. Well sure as heck, a ten comes on the flop and I don't improve. From observation, that caller probably would have gone all-in no matter what I bet. That's the breaks.

2) The other pocket rockets I had was in the late stages of a 2-table SnG at a final table. I was in a middle position and everyone had folded to me. I wanted to get 1-2 callers so I bet 3x (this amount hadn't scared away people previously on this table). Everyone folded except the SB who went all-in. I had a higher stack than he did but calling him put me at the point where I would be seriously hurt if I lost. Naturally I call the all-in. The SB has QQ vs my AA. Again, the flop shows a Q rag-rag. Figures!! The turn was a rag - but the river caught my third Ace!! The table was all buzzing how damn lucky I was. I felt the other guy was the lucky one for catching his Queen on the flop. Its basically a toss-up. He goes out and I end up being chip leader after that hand. Ended up third by the end of the night and got in the money.

So would I have changed the way I had played my Aces? Not really, someone with a decent pair in their hands is going to go for it no matter what you bet especially if they are low and need to double up.

[Bhudio]

Originally Posted by VARoadstter

Here's a well written article about the topic of slowplaying a hand. Not exactly the point of this thread but related. Interesting read:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/3597182

Nice article. Plus the fact I could never slow-play aces for the life of me. I'd allways want to win a little than lose alot.

[dad604]

Except in very special situations, I would never slow pockets A's. In NL, somehow I would like to get one or two callers allin if at all possible.

[ALEN003]

I usually slow play pocket aces but I get screwed over a couple times because I let them catch. But I love catching my 3rd Ace on the flop.

-ALEN