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Old 06-15-2012, 03:41 PM
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TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

Playing 1-2 live, a nine handed home game. Its five hours into the session. At the start of the night. the table had been "tighter" than it commonly is, though its not tight by any normal measure. By now things are somewhat looser though not as wild as some nights can be. There are some significant stacks and a few folks with short stacks hoping to get lucky.

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Hero has the button with $600. Hero has been quietly running good - won every significant showdown, sucked out when behind, held on when ahead. Hero is still getting more respect than normal for his bets. Hero might be a little over confident and the Villains a little cautious.

The SB from the last thread is going to have a part in this hand. He has $1,600 and is in middle possition this hand. SB is a work in progress, a year ago he was the biggest fish in the sea. Today he is close to break even, though still a small loser. He is hyper loose, semi aggressive preflop and loose aggressive post flop. His judgement about when to be aggressive and balance is much better, but still he has much too much air and weak holdings in his range.

The last four hours have been golden for our villain, ever since Hero sucked out on him. He has taken a $200 rebuy to $1,600. This villain gets more passive in general with a big stack, though mostly when the bets get bigger. He might still splash around with bets less than $30ish.

He is the big blind this time, but CO from the last thread also is playing. He has $250 playing in the big blind, but is in for $600. He is prone to occational spews with silly hands during the night, often later and after lots of booze. His bluff frequency is too high and he value towns himself regularly. He is hyper loose, semi passive preflop, loose and semi aggressive post flop. BB thinks he can out play everyone at the table including Hero.

My old friend, Crazy, sits UTG+3. he has $300 and is up marginally on the night. Tonight Crazy isn't so crazy - Hero has been joking he must be taking ADD drugs to be so calm.

CO sits with $300. Last session he was +$2,500 and just collected it tonight so his pocket is over-full but he is down $400 so far tonight. the first hour or so he ran extra good, but since then he has donked off $800 - $900 from his session high. CO normally is trick-trappy hyper loose aggressive preflop (meaning he might raise 25% of his hands but almost never raise QQ+, AK) and loose aggressive post flop. Tonight he has become much more of a calling station while he moans about his bad luck.

Generally all the villains are sticky and greatly over value one pair hands. Hero will try to adjust his game to match.

The hand:

All the villains plus one limp to Hero who makes a table normal raise to $11 with K Q from the button. SB folds, all the villains call plus one other limper folds. Five players to see a flop, $58 in the pot.

The flop: K 4 T

Every one checks to Hero. Should hero bet? If so, how much? What's the plan for the hand?

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Old 06-15-2012, 04:42 PM
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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

Obviously we bet here. 1/3 to 2/3 of the pot. $30 is good.

Plan? See what happens. I know you should have a plan but this is a feeler bet/continuation bet/stab at the pot. Against one caller you will bet most turns, against several callers you bet any non-diamond and beware any broadway, against significant aggression you probably crumble. But you can't really put anybody on a range at this point, so it's gather information and re-assess as the hand progresses.

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Old 06-15-2012, 05:31 PM
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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

Id bet 30-40, depending on how i was feeling. Id hate the diamond draw, but you have top pair with almost top kick. Id bet strong and see about callers, Hoping that maybe one follows and crap follows on the board. I dont want someone just following along to see if there hand hits for fun.
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:29 AM
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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

Ok - Hero bets $50. Everyone folds to the $1,600 Big Stack who calls. Two players to see a turn, $158 in the pot.

Turn: < K 4 T > 6. Big Stack checks, Hero bets or checks? If Hero bets, how much? Is anyone concerened about playing a big pot with TP/GK?

So far so good, we hope -=- DrStrange
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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

Hero bets turn. Now 1/3-1/2 pot. Say $60.
Yes, we're concerned about playing a big pot with one pair, but heads up we're not giving up yet. Also, it's worth noting that this pot is big in part because the hero bet nearly the pot on the flop instead of a smaller bet. Not necessarily a criticism, but an observation.

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Old 06-16-2012, 09:38 AM
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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

After the flop 50 seems hight, but it thinned the field well enough. I'd bet 90 on the turn, giving 1st Villain 2.5:1. Multi-limps and flats scare me more than going to river with TP/GK. Reduce the field, bet river hard on a non-diamond, proceed with caution if the board pairs (less the king).
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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

I like the biggish flop bet. It's 5 handed and the flop's wetter than an *insert inapropriate metaphor here*. We need to thin the field. Flat the turn I think & call most river bets. We're liable to fold Tx and medium pairs by betting again especially as it suggests we're liable to 3 barrel. We're unlikely to get draws to fold by betting & villain's likely to bluff if he misses his draw.
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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

The board is wet because it offers a lot of draws, but no made hands. Do we really want to give free card? Surely(?) its more profitable to charge the draw rather than hope we get a river bluff if the draw misses. (and its not like we have a lot of bricks to hope for - 9 diamonds, 6 non-diamond aces + nines complete the best draws and 5 more cards complete broadway gut shots. Thats 40% of the deck. . . .

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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

My best guess is to put Villain on a hand like A10d, QJ, AQ, etc. I'd fire off 2/3 pot bet and see what villain does
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Re: TP/GK - did Hero over play his hand?

OK . . . Hero bets $100, villain calls. $358 in pot, two to see a flop.

River is: < K 4 T > < 6 > 2

Villain checks, Hero checks behind or bets? If betting, how much?

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