Cbet a boat UTG?

[stocky]

Wanted people's thoughts on this hand.

Happened a while ago do unsure of stack sizes but both players are deep.

Hero opens UTG with 88. Mp is a massive LAG and very unpredictable, flats the raise.

MP is known to be massively loose and aggressive. Once called 3 all ins on the CO with 34o explaining his cards were most likely live. Yes he hit and took down a decent side pot. Calls most cbets bluffs and struggles to believe anyone has a hand. But having said that can make incredible lay downs when a call could be justified.

Flop 228s. Hero has cbet a large % of hands in early position tonight. So against a Villian who can run huge bluffs and loose calls would cbeting with the near nuts here be the right play? Or should hero hope Villian catches or atleast attempt to steal?

Thanks

[bivey]

Bet, bet, bet. That board should not scare off a LAG, and you have already raised pre flop. To slow down with that flop, LAG might tighten up on your turn or river bets. Best not to get cute with this one.

Just my2 cents, which may not be worth as much as everyone else's.

[albie]

With a boat, there aren't many cards left to have hit an opponent's hand and slow playing is often in order.

In this instance however, I think we should definitely be betting. We're deep and our best chance of stacking off is by leading out. Villain doesn't need to have hit to continue. Hero's style isn't mentioned but it's unlikely this flop hit us and villain expects us to cbet here and we expect him to at least call if we do. Villain can have a 2 here; let's bloat the pot before he even suspects it might not be good. Villain can't make a huge bluff unless we help him build a huge pot.

[DrStrange]

Hero has to decide what kind of fish he is hoping for. If he wants a smaller, more common easy to catch fish slow play. If Hero wants to catch a whale, he needs to bet. Hero shouldn't feel bad if he comes up dry . . . sometimes it works that way.

Hero can have all the chips he choses to go for If MP has a 2. MP has to put Hero on a big ace that missed or a juicy overpair. The villain LAGged it up and has hit the jackpot.

If MP has an over pair, he might stack off or not - Hero knows better than we do. Ideally, Hero could bet in a way that makes MP want to raise. Maybe bet a little too small like a scared c-bet?

If MP has garbage, Hero's bet chance is to check and hope he can induce a bluff (or two on a lucky day)

My plan would be to c-bet, but just a bit too small - say 1/2 pot or a sliver more. This way we still get started building a pot vs a 2 but also might attract aggression from a Villain who is thinking Hero might be weak.

DrStrange

I played a hand like this lately - AA on an ATT flop (even better, I was on a rare ep slow played AA preflop). The carnage was awesome, two players hold a ten and a third one flushes!

[JDest1]

Checking is basically not an option here. 1/2 the pot will do just fine. If the villain is LAG as you say, you will almost certainly be met with a call, and potentially a 3 bet raise. You can't check this flop because since you've flopped the essential nuts (villain holding 22 is extremely unlikely) you want to get as much value from every street in this hand.

[guinness]

Bet something enticing then check-call, check-shove.

[bergs]

Bet 1/3 pot, lead turn for 1/2 pot, jam river.

You want to swell the pot on the turn and give him a chance to get it all in before the river brings the last card and potentially kills the action. Checking gives up an opportunity to grow the pot gradually without a huge jam that is easily gotten away from.

Most people don't expect someone to fast play a flopped boat or quads.. It's pretty obvious when you do it on the river. Slowplayinf only makes sense if you have a great read and know he'll bluff-shove or has a lesser made han that he'll overplay.

[stocky]

Thanks everyone. Results.

Yes I did lead out for just over 1/2 the pot. Villian nearly snap folds. Reason I ask is because I showed the full house and most were perplexed as to why I would cbet. Villian stated he thought I had an over pair.

Oh well next time