.25/.50 kk oop

[monkeydog]

8 players last night all around $60 buy in...

Hero is seen as a nit...Villain is a horrible LAG who loves to call at times but will also raise with ATC and go spewing chips the rest of the hand...earlier in the night he called $5 pre, $10 on the flop, $20 on the turn and folded the river for $3...really...


Hero limps UTG with KK looking for MP Villain to raise...

Hero calls .50
Fold
Fold
Villain raises to $1.50
Fold
Fold
LP calls $1.50
Fold

Hero raises to $8 (Hero has raised to $8 twice earlier in the night showing AA one time)

Villain instacalls
LP folds

Flop (pot is $18.25)

5 3 7

Hero bets $15
Villain instacalls

Turn (Pot $48.25)

8

Hero bets $25
Villain instacalls

River (Pot $98.25)

6

Hero moves all in $25ish
Villain instacalls

Anything wrong with my line? Will post results shortly...

EDIT **Flop was not the 5 of clubs...but it was rainbow and there was no flush draw at any point...

[JoseRijo]

Limp-reraising UTG is horrible.

I think you have problems versus a normal villain. Against someone like this, it's probably OK... but would he really play TT-QQ this way? Maybe shoving turn is better.

[stocky]

I would've jammed turn here with the line you took. Also agree raise pre,

[courage]

I don't care for limp reraise. It turns your hand face up in most cases unless you also routinely do this with suited connectors and a broader range of hands.

Agree, get it all in on the turn.

[bergs]

Originally Posted by courage

I don't care for limp reraise. It turns your hand face up in most cases unless you also routinely do this with suited connectors and a broader range of hands.

Agree, get it all in on the turn.

What he said. Jam turn.

[monkeydog]

Thoughts and Questions...


Thought

Limp reraise to get more in preflop with the intention of pot sized bet on flop to make him pay to draw...if I standard raise 4x or 5x Villain calls with ATC and then a pot sized bet on the flop is a relatively small $ amount for him to call (he doesn't consider pot size in relation to bet amount). There is also zero chance of a reraise from Villain...

Question

What would you raise preflop? And what would your line look like assuming the same action post flop?

Thought

I was thinking of playing for stacks when I reraised thinking that a pot sized bet on the flop would commit me and when he flatted I was committed on the flop (mentally anyway)...

Question

Is this the type of hand you want to play for stacks for on that flop? Did I mentally commit to stacks to soon?

Question

Would you have considered folding at any point?

[monkeydog]

Results

Villain had 8 5 and scooped the pot.

Funny thing with this guy...he bought in for $60...ran it up to $250 in an hour or so...donked off $170 or so in the next hour then this hand happened. This is typical for him...fun guy to have around!

[nygiantsfan3342]

That sucks playing with a maniac who doesn't fold. How could he call your reraise with 8c-5c? He wouldn't be invited back to my house very often.

[DrStrange]

I do not see a problem with Hero's preflop limp/reraise plan if; 1) he can let the big pair go cheaply if the flop limps around and 2) if the table conditions makes it likely the target Villain is going to raise. (In an on-going game Hero should be looking for chances to mix up his game, this might be another justification to limp / reraise but only if Hero can avoid going broke in a limped pot.)

Hero's preflop reraise to $8 is a $6.50 raise into a $5.25 pot. This is a good bet size. Hero has the situation he wants, the goal should be to get money into the pot as fast as possible not be tricky.

Hero gets a so-so flop. Perhaps Hero's flop bet is a tad small, not because 80% pot is small but because Villain will pay $5 more with any piece of the flop. Many villains like this will fold to a turn push with a big chunk of thier range - 'normal' players would be shocked what hands will call the flop bet drawing very slim. This extra $5 adds up - don't be shy about charging full price.

The turn isn't a good card for Hero, but few cards in the deck are 'good'. Every card ace - nine either pairs the board or complets a straight draw or pairs an ace. It doesn't matter though, Hero is committed to the hand once the flop hits without an ace.

Hero shouldn't make a 1/2 pot bet on the turn. Villain will pay full price with all sorts of hands, Hero should push here.

This type of villain brings big variance to the game, but he rarely goes home with the money. Hero had a shot to get a good chunk of of Villain's stack but Lady Luck decided otherwise.

DrStrange

PS I love playing with this type of villain - He put $8 in the pot drawing worse than 9-1, another $15 drawing ~4-1. This hand he catches a 5-out draw and gets the rest of Hero's stack but he is not able to win enough to compensate for the risk taken. Not only would I invite him back, I would welcome him with open arms. This type of Villain is good for your game and good for your win rate.

[lanyi]

Amen to the Doctors orders.

Limp reraising does turn your hand face up when you do so with an unbalanced range and also loses money as being 100bb deep you practically never get anyone to call with anything less then QQ, but in this case as the doctor said hero is targetting one specific villain in this hand and from that respect it worked perfectly. He got HU with his target with a low SPR and premium hand. And our target we know will chase even if in the back of his mind he knows hero has KK or AA. Why? Because on occassion the hand ends like it did in this case.

You can't be expoited for playing transparently when the other side fails to adjust.