[trutan]

Here's the scenario. You are playing aong with me in WSOP Event #52 - $1500 NLHE.

You are just returning from the second break. Blinds are 150/300 with a 25 ante and your stack is 4850. You were moved to this table right before the start of the break so you have only ben there for about 2 orbits. Max Pescatori is in seat 1. The rest of the table appears to be made of three young aggressive internet players and the rest are no names.

First hand back from break. It is folded around to you on the button and you look down at 66.

Action???????


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[Trav]

Originally Posted by trutan

Here's the scenario. You are playing aong with me in WSOP Event #52 - $1500 NLHE.

You are just returning from the second break. Blinds are 150/300 with a 25 ante and your stack is 4850. You were moved to this table right before the start of the break so you have only ben there for about 2 orbits. Max Pescatori is in seat 1. The rest of the table appears to be made of three young aggressive internet players and the rest are no names.

First hand back from break. It is folded around to you on the button and you look down at 66.

Action???????

What are the chip stacks of the SB and BB?

[NoFear]

Raised x3 the BB. If one of them go all in....use your reading skill. Fold or all-in.

[jojobinks]

effective stack size?

also, where are the aggro internet guys and pescatori relative to you?

basically:

• raise to 1050.
• if unknown 3bets out of the blinds, fold
• if aggro interdonk or pescatori 3bets, summon information that i don't have at this point and make a decision.

[BigKyle]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

effective stack size?

also, where are the aggro internet guys and pescatori relative to you?

basically:

• raise to 1050.
• if unknown 3bets out of the blinds, fold
• if aggro interdonk or pescatori 3bets, summon information that i don't have at this point and make a decision.

What he said. You will either win the blinds and antes or go allin, probably on a flip, for your tourney life or close to it.

[JM]

I was going to say make it 1000 to go, but 1050 works too.

Originally Posted by jojobinks

effective stack size?

also, where are the aggro internet guys and pescatori relative to you?

basically:

• raise to 1050.
• if unknown 3bets out of the blinds, fold
• if aggro interdonk or pescatori 3bets, summon information that i don't have at this point and make a decision.

[scottwire]

table images of yourself and the blinds would help, as would what the standard raise at your table had been.

I generally raise to around 2.5-3bb (maybe 750 to 850) here regardless of your hand.

With 66, if both blinds have larger stacks, I'd probably fold to a shove.
If one is shorter you may have to call for pot odds, but I generally don't want to call my tournament life what will amount to a coin flip or being dominated by an overpair unless I'm getting a really good price.

This is why I don't want to raise to 1000+ like others are advocating. It is committing too much of your stack.

risk/reward is key. With 66 you really don't want to get involved here, but you want those blinds.

You have plenty of chips, you are not desperate yet. Whether you raise to 850 or 1000 I don't think makes enough of a difference to someone who is going to shove on you. If you get called, you're not going to like the majority of the flops and you will have a hard time playing it. With the smaller preflop raise, you will at least be able to put out a smaller continuation bet and if you have to give up after the flop, you'll at least still have around 10bb left.

[jojobinks]

just so that i can clarify (after scott's excellent post)...i advocate betting 1050 to win 650, so winning there 40% of the time is enough.

the size of the raise is position dependent, and really nothing to do with the strength of 66. b/c raising on the button is the most commonplace of "moves", i like the slightly smaller raise to help discourage the blinds from being heroes.

all this said, i'd encourage trutan to be quite a bit more careful if one of the blinds is a chronic three-bettor.

i agree with scott that the smaller raise makes a c-bet cheaper...but if we get c/r'ed or even c/c'ed on the flop we're screwed in any case.

[trutan]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

effective stack size?

also, where are the aggro internet guys and pescatori relative to you?

basically:

• raise to 1050.
• if unknown 3bets out of the blinds, fold
• if aggro interdonk or pescatori 3bets, summon information that i don't have at this point and make a decision.

My apologies, I typed the op rather quickly as the family was off to a cookout. Pescatori was utg and had folded . The aggro internets were to my right. The sb had a stack somewhere around 3k and the bb has 4k. As mentioned, I have ony been at the table for two orbits and that was before the twenty minute break. I hadn't seen anything out of line from the sb or bb. This was the first hand that I had played at this table.

Anyway, I raised to 1200. A little on the large size as I look back but at the time I was just looking to take down the blinds.

The sb folds, the bb looks at his cards and calmly pushes them all in. So it is 2800 more to me with 2800 in the pot(1200+1200+150(sb)+250(antes)). If I fold, I have 3600 remaining. If I call and lose, I have 800 left. Since this is the first hand of the level, there is 55+ minutes left at 150/300 +25.

Action? Comments?

[JM]

Originally Posted by scottwire

I generally raise to around 2.5-3bb (maybe 750 to 850) here regardless of your hand.

I don't think 2.5x is nearly enough here, its just giving the blinds better pot odds. There's already 250 in antes + 450 in blinds in the pot so we're at 700 just to start. Raising to 750 or 850 just isn't enough IMO. Seems to me you're inviting the sooooted and or connector holders to call.