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We're down to 9 tables in a 384 person B&M tourney. Paying out top 38, so the bubble is still a ways off. Blinds are 2000/4000 with 500 ante so there's 11k in the pot before action. An EP short stack moves all in for about 9k. Villain in MP raises to 25k. Villian previously was a short stack, but has doubled up three times by catching a pair when called by a better hand each time (QT vs AJ, hit the T; KJ vs AQ, hit the J). He's now one of the bigger stacks at the table. It's folded to me on the button and I look down at AK spades. I've been card dead for two levels and have watched my stack shrink from 57.5 to just 45k, so my M is just over 4. Blinds go up every 20 minutes and we're more than halfway through the current level. Villain has me covered. WWYD?
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All in and expect to get called. You do not have enough chips to wait for a better spot than this. 20 minute levels + 11BB = auto shove with AK.
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Easy shove...
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I pushed, villain had AA, I'm out.
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I pushed, villain had AA, I'm out.
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you did the right thing.

Your M does most of the work for you. Suited AK in a tourny is a no-brainer.
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We're down to 9 tables in a 384 person B&M tourney. Paying out top 38, so the bubble is still a ways off. Blinds are 2000/4000 with 500 ante so there's 11k in the pot before action. An EP short stack moves all in for about 9k. Villain in MP raises to 25k. Villian previously was a short stack, but has doubled up three times by catching a pair when called by a better hand each time (QT vs AJ, hit the T; KJ vs AQ, hit the J). He's now one of the bigger stacks at the table. It's folded to me on the button and I look down at AK spades. I've been card dead for two levels and have watched my stack shrink from 57.5 to just 45k, so my M is just over 4. Blinds go up every 20 minutes and we're more than halfway through the current level. Villain has me covered. WWYD?
Bad hand. Bad (though the easy ones make for poor discussion, lol)

So - calling is not an answer. Push or fold.

You still have more than 10x the bb (for this blind level), so you are not critical YET.

The raiser seems to have very loose starting requirements for playing the big pots - but this may just be the stack size that he had. Your read on him is the critical one. You figure he is not folding to your push, no?

How wide of a range can you put them on. If QT is in the arsenal for the raise, then go ahead and push. Someone that loose will not be ahead of you a substantial % of the time. If they are truly a nit and were just playing pushbot earlier sue to a short stack, then you need to look at some more information. How "sneaky" are they? Smarter players make that raise to isolate the shortstack so that they do not have to face AK/AQ (or pairs TT and down) on the cheap. Many times, sneakier players will overplay themselves and call with AA/KK - to invite more action. Are they capable? Or do they see two paint and raise no matter what?

Another factor is the overall table play. Do the players recognize pot odds and fold equity? If not, then calling is pretty easy as you will most likely not be able to "steal" the blinds over the next rotation. If the table is fairly tight, then you may be able to outplay them and may not want to take the risk now.

My honest opinion -push. The structure (20 minutes) does not give you much more time to make a stand. You may even get lucky and the big stack will fold.
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you did the right thing.

Your M does most of the work for you. Suited AK in a tourny is a no-brainer.
I completely agree. In these situations, your read on your opponent is pretty much meaningless. You have a premium hand and have a very low M. You MUST accumulate chips in a hurry, so pushing is your only option.
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