[develvjd-]

B&M, 1/3 NL, I'm on the button with $150 in front of me. UTG raises to $6 (he played 30-40% of his hands and always raised to $6...), 3-4 callers before me and I call with As7s. I think 6 people see the flop with a pot around $40.

Flop is Js4s4d. Checked around to a guy who'd been a little loose, a little aggressive and was sitting behing $500. He bets out $40.

I'm next to act- WWYD? Somebody educate me...

[StevenH72]

fold, post flop and pre flop in my opinion.

You have four people to act behind you, any of whom could re-raise, putting you in a tough spot, and you aren't getting the odds to call after the flop either.

Also A7s is filth, fold it pre.

[Sneds]

Yeah this probably isn't a great spot. Also with the paired board, there could be a few cards that mean that your flush won't even be good IF it comes.

For all you know, you could be drawing dead already! But Steven is right, your position sucks. If somebody repops to $150 behind you, you're in a tough spot.

[whataboutj]

I don't mind the call pre flop given the info on the original raiser-- Post flop is a tuff call IMO. I would agree that you should fold due to the paired board and people left to act behind you.

[JoseRijo]

The pre-flop call is totally fine. But you can fold on the flop.

[tomb1]

I don't fold this pre-flop at all. Seeing a limped pot (a min-raise that's limped all around is just a limp at this point IMO) on the button with Axs is a good speculative play. Implied odds are fantastic if you flop the nut flush, and there are a few other ways to win, in position. But if ya speculate, ya gotta know when to dump it....

So after the flop, it's probably time to dump. But hold on a minute. I think it's a read-dependent play when you're at a B&M. I'm more likely to fold to the pot bet, but some of the time I call here if it looks like the other limpers are getting ready to fold. Or if it looks like the the loose player in the cut-off is making a play for the pot after it's checked around to him.

[detroitdad]

Originally Posted by develvjd-

B&M, 1/3 NL, I'm on the button with $150 in front of me. UTG raises to $6 (he played 30-40% of his hands and always raised to $6...), 3-4 callers before me and I call with As7s. I think 6 people see the flop with a pot around $40.

Flop is Js4s4d. Checked around to a guy who'd been a little loose, a little aggressive and was sitting behing $500. He bets out $40.

I'm next to act- WWYD? Somebody educate me...

before I read the other posts (this way I can see how wrong I am )

I don't mind the call pre-flop. If you think he is playing a ton of hands why not try to hit a monster against him. I wouldn't fault a fold at this point either. A 7 kicker sucks.

On the flop I don't just call 40. IMHO you either fold or move all in. If you just call, your prolly pot committed anyways so you might as well put the pressure on him.

With so many players still in the hand I prolly get away from the nut draw. I wouldn't hate on you for pushing though.

So, what did you do?

B

[Harlequin011]

well what is in your bank? Did anyone else call?


I like the call pre-flop. The only way I'm even tempted to call this overbet is if 2-3 callers come along.

I'll assume 5 people went in pre and there is $30 minus the rake in the middle. For you to be getting correct odds you should be drawing near 4:1, or have the implied odds to pay you off when you get there. However there are some nasty negative implied odds with the 2 fours on the flop. As it stands you're not even getting 2:1.

This is a nasty hand to stick around in. You lose in the long run. Muck and put the blindfold and earmuffs on. If you've noticed that this guy is casually making it $6 every hand then others may have too.

Your opponent sounds like the way I play. You can definitely beat his style but unless you re-raise your not going to find anything out. I think the re-raise is too risky here.

[develvjd-]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

Did anyone else call?

No other callers. He was the last to act before me on the flop, everyone had checked to him.

SO...

There hadn't been much check-raising from any of the flop checkers so I pretty much had written them off in the hand.

A flop bet slightly larger than the pot seemed more like QJ or KJ to me, or maybe even QQ or KK, but I didn't expect those without a pre-flop raise. So I put my guy on QJ or KJ.

I pushed for $104 more, hoping he would put me on a four and fold his two pair.

All of the checkers fold. He thinks, moans, and groans for 30 seconds then calls with 7d4d for a set of fours. Oops.

Turn 9s.

River blank.

I turn the A high flush and the board does not pair. I guess that's why they call it a semi-bluff.

So I put him on two pair and pushed. How much of a donkey am I?

[Harlequin011]

Originally Posted by develvjd-

A few hundred in my pocket, $6000 bankroll. No other callers. He was the last to act before me on the flop, everyone had checked to him.

SO...

There hadn't been much check-raising from any of the flop checkers so I pretty much had written them off in the hand.

A flop bet slightly larger than the pot seemed more like QJ or KJ to me, or maybe even QQ or KK, but I didn't expect those without a pre-flop raise. So I put my guy on QJ or KJ.

I pushed for $104 more, hoping he would put me on a four and fold his two pair.

All of the checkers fold. He thinks, moans, and groans for 30 seconds then calls with 7d4d for a set of fours. Oops.

Turn 9s.

River blank.

I turn the A high flush and the board does not pair. I guess that's why they call it a semi-bluff.

So I put him on two pair and pushed. How much of a donkey am I?

D,

By bank I meant your stack, I can figure it by looking at your push.

If you're willing to bluff here that opens up some more options. I have plenty of respect for a bluff here. I don't think its terrible and your only dead to a full house.

I don't think the bluff is totally out of line here.