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View Poll Results: Head's Up: Skill vs Luck
Its all skill, luck is not a factor if you are better. 7 36.84%
Its all luck, I could be the best in the world and you can still suck out on me. 4 21.05%
Fence Sitter... 8 42.11%
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Re: Head's Up Arguments for Skill vs Luck

IMHO, depends on starting stack size and speed of blind increases.
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Re: Head's Up Arguments for Skill vs Luck

skill has everything to do with poker, luck can only help you for a short term of time, skill is the only winner.
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Re: Head's Up Arguments for Skill vs Luck

I guess I'm a fence sitter since I don't believe it's 'all' of either. Mostly skill with varying degrees of luck depending on the format. I think it's important to remember that luck goes both ways too - meaning skilled players benefit as well.
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Re: Head's Up Arguments for Skill vs Luck

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I think it's important to remember that luck goes both ways too - meaning skilled players benefit as well.
Your right...Skilled player get bad luck, bad players get good luck! J/K

Although I kinda agree.....I also believe a skilled player isn't nearly exposed to luck as much as a non-skilled player. A non-skilled player usually finds themself in a position (pot committed or bluffing) to better their hand through luck more often than a skilled player. Skilled players get off bad hands and bad position early...before the real luck kicks in (turn/river).

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Thanks for all the posts people I really appreciate it!

Since many people have commented that the structure can impact the luck factor take a look at this and give me your honest opinion. Keep in mind that I am working with a limited time schedule; obviously if time was not a factor the blind levels would be much longer.

Starting Stack: T10,000

Time/SB/BB
15/100/200
12/200/400
12/300/600
10/400/800
10/500/1000
10/700/1400
10/1000/2000
(I am fairly certain that the matches will end with this level or before it)

Last year in the matches I was in I averaged 8 hands per level and they were all 10 min blinds, the other guys were probably a little slower. I am hoping to get that many in again this year, maybe even push it to nine, but I really doubt that would happen.

So looking at this schedule do you think you would play considering the luck factor?
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I would just make each level 12 minutes long. There is no way that any match should go past the 400-800 level, at that point it should be shove in automatic.

I think this is a perfectly reasonable structure although I would prefer to have more big blinds to start (preferably 70-100 rather than 50). However, it is still fine with this setup.

As long as the buyin wasnt too high this structure would be fine with me.
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Well BK the buy in was $10...actually $20 but that included $5 in cash chips and food/beer.

To sum up the tourney.....I was the first one out.


It was the 3rd blind level I am the chip leader by at least 2000. I found AJc as the dealer and raised, guy called, flop comes 2 clubs, I bet, he raises, I call (bad move #1), turn is a blank, river is a blank and I shove, he calls with middle pair. Next hand I try to steal with a K, and he calls with an A, and it holds up....yeah I was pretty bummed.

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