[FL70]

Anyone else see this?

I'm puzzled by Greenstein's play.

I can't recall the preflop details, but I'm pretty sure it was folded to Barry and he limped with Q-small from the SB with a check behind.

Flop came Q-A-small, but with 2 hearts and he has none. Barry bet ~½ the pot and got called.

Turn brings a third heart, but it's a Q giving him trips and here's where I get lost - Barry checks. If Clement was on the flush draw and just hit, he'll likely check behind, but if he was on a backdoor draw he'll almost certainly check and Barry just gave it to him for free. By not betting he learns nothing.

But I figure that Barry's about 1000x better than I am and has decided Clement is not on the heart draw (which he wasn't).

River brings a small, 4th heart.

Barry checks again. This is also confusing because nearly ATC will bet here. Clement could have a big flush, a baby one, a weak Ace, or absolute junk, but you don't know squat with your trip Queens.

Clement bets out a mere ¼ the pot - 125k into 500k. I think Barry had ~1M and he's getting 5-to-1 to call. If he thought Clement made the flush, why'd he let him have the River for free? If the River came a brick he possibly could have induced a bluff, but that would be the only way to make any money.

Granted, in the first 30 minutes Clement played straight forward - bet with squadoosh, check with made hands - so possibly Barry thought he'd hit it on the Turn and was drawing to his boat.

Anyone else want to opine?

[Couga]

He must have thought he had a read because he let it go real quick. That kind of confused me as well. I wonder if Barry has a blog?

- Couga

[jmc]

Ok, say Barry had Q3o

SB vs BB, limped

flop is Ah Qs 2h, 2 hearts.

Barry leads on the flop because there's a good chance that he's ahead (BB probably raises a lot of Ax type hands in these blind battles) and he should charge a flush draw and straight draws (JT, KT, etc).

Turn is a Qh.

If Barry bets the turn, what can call him that he beats?
1. Ace-something -- however, this is unlikely because his opponent didn't raise preflop or on the flop. Also, if his opponent has a weak kicker, he might throw the hand away because if barry didn't have him beat already, the Qh makes barry a better hand. [say you had A3o. Flop is AQ2. Barry leads for 1/2 pot, you call. turn is Qh putting the flush out there. Barry leads for 1/2 pot again -- if barry has A4+/hearts/Qx/22, you're crushed. The only thing you beat is a bluff (barry betting with a mid pair on the turn WOULD be a bluff essentially) -- so there's a good chance you should fold.]

What about hands that will call/raise that have Barry in bad shape?
1. Q-something -- unfortunately, barry's kicker is a problem -- I can't imagine his opponent would fold trip-Qs in a BvB battle.
2. Flush -- this is totally consistent with the action preflop and on the flop.

Note that if his opponent doesn't already have a flush or barry in bad shape, what did he call the FLOP with?
KJo/KTo/JTo/2x
Ax (and x is a heart)

I think barry checked the turn because if he leads the turn, he mostly gets action from hands that have him crushed.

Also, if his opponent flat calls the turn and any card hits on the river that doesn't make barry a full house, what is barry gonna do? Is he gonna push all-in against a possible flush? check/fold? check/call?

[jojobinks]

someone give me a link to pokertube and a time?

i'm interested in opining, but hope to see it for myself.

[mike33]

I think it was about an hour in, because not too long after that Barry busted and I quit watching with more than 30 minutes left. You didn't watch it, it was the new WPT that aired this past Monday?

[jojobinks]

okay, i found it.

barry is in position, raises and gets called from both blinds. flop is AQ5 (two hearts). clements checks, little checks and barry bets it.

clements calls there with little left to act, and i think that's pretty important. his most likely hands are QX (where x is often bigger than barry's 9), an ace, or a flush draw. in other words, barry's usually beat. we have to assume clements has something, b/c 1) he's oop and is check calling 2) he's check calling with a man left to act and 3) barry is very aggressive so this is the way you'd want to play big hands against him.

also, barry's 1.5 million deep and the blinds are 15/30k, so he's deep enough that nothing is automatic here. if he fires the turn () and gets raised he must fold. betting there blows up the pot and puts him in a bad spot if clements makes a move or if the river comes bad. the pot is 500k there and he has 1.25M behind. if he bets 300k and is called the pot is 1.1M and now he's handcuffed on the river. i mean...he has less than a pot sized bet left. can he really fold at that point?

by checking behind he can make a decision on the river and nearly always can afford to make a call there and continue to play. i believe he plans to call 100% if the river comes a relatively safe card.

it all went horribly wrong when it came a heart.

clements made a slick bet there on the end, but i don't think barry was really all that confused by it. he's beaten by a million and one hands, and folding there leaves him 40bb or so.

btw, i put it up on youtube for those that didn't see it. link to the hand. click here and then you will go to another place on the interwebs to watch said hand

[jojobinks]

can i imbed video?



edit: sweet!1!!

[jojobinks]

from barry's podcast.

scott took awhile when i cbet the flop. he called and i said okay, he's got a weak draw. doesn't want to get too tied in, but feels he has to call. remember, he also has john little behind him. so he's not going to float with anything there. he's got to have something. that something will normally be the flush draw, but the non-nut. also, possibly 2nd pair. if he had top pair he'd probably raise. if he has middle pair he has me outkicked most likely with QT+.

the on the turn is a good and a bad card. if he had a queen he has me beat and if he had the flush draw he has me beat. i was afraid that if i bet on the turn and he had what i thought he had he'd shove and i'd have to fold. so i decided to keep the pot small. i didn't want to play a pot here for all my chips. i had position, so i decided to wait for the river and call his bet there.

river card was a disaster, . now there're four hearts out there. it wasn't what i had hoped for in any way. now he bets only 125k. my first thought is it's a small bet. maybe i was beat already. maybe he has QT with the . i thought it was unlikely that i had the best hand it is a small bet. in a cash game i'd make that call. but the bet was a pretty big % of my stack, even though not of the pot overall.

this is the first tournament i played with scott, knew he was a good player. i've seen negreanu make some of these small bluffs, and small value bets. i just thought it was too likely that he had me beat. the hand i really thought he had was a 9 or 10 hi flush made on the turn.

he outplayed me, and he's a good player, that's gonna happen. i think in real life, if he had the 10 hi flush he'd have checked to me on the river and let me bet at it. anyhow, i made a bad decision there and lost 625k that could have been in my stack.

linky

[FL70]

Cool, thanks.

+ rep comin' atcha!