[osumike11379]

Here's the read I have on this guy - He's ATC central - I make the bet post flop to charge a premium for any draws - If he played any two clubs on me than I made a bad play - but this guys loves to bet top pair (doesn't care about the kicker) so I figured I was golden and he also loves to bluff - thoughts?

PokerStars Game #16676880560: Tournament #84477528, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/04/12 - 14:34:44 (ET)
Table '84477528 1' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: cedi83 (1020 in chips)
Seat 3: osumike11379 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: pistarius (1560 in chips)
Seat 5: *wisc.best* (3455 in chips)
Seat 6: sdo1979 (1465 in chips)
sdo1979: posts small blind 25
cedi83: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to osumike11379 [Kc Ks]
osumike11379: raises 200 to 250
pistarius: calls 250
*wisc.best*: calls 250
sdo1979: folds
cedi83: folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 3c 4c]
osumike11379: bets 600
pistarius: folds
*wisc.best*: raises 950 to 1550
osumike11379: calls 650 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [2c 3c 4c] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [2c 3c 4c 5h] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
osumike11379: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)
*wisc.best*: shows [4h Ah] (a straight, Ace to Five)
*wisc.best* collected 3325 from pot
sdo1979 said, "55 folded"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3325 | Rake 0
Board [2c 3c 4c 5h 8d]
Seat 2: cedi83 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: osumike11379 showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: pistarius folded on the Flop
Seat 5: *wisc.best* (button) showed [4h Ah] and won (3325) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 6: sdo1979 (small blind) folded before Flop

[JoseRijo]

Originally Posted by osumike11379

sdo1979 said, "55 folded"

This is the best part. Dude, who cares if you folded the 2nd best hand?

And just to make this a strategy post (since right now its just a bad-beat one),
I think your pre-flop raise is too much (not that it would've mattered) but post-flop is fine.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by JoseRijo

This is the best part. Dude, who cares if you folded the 2nd best hand?

And just to make this a strategy post (since right now its just a bad-beat one),
I think your pre-flop raise is too much (not that it would've mattered) but post-flop is fine.

Maybe he meant the 5 was less likely to hit since he had two of them...

[JoseRijo]

Maybe I'm a meathead.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by JoseRijo

Maybe I'm a meathead.

lol

[joepro]

Kings cracked hurts, but that was a bad flop for you. Three connecting suited cards are just too much to deal with. I'm a big fan of the continuation bet, but not in this case. If anything, a small continuation bet, but there are too many hands that beat you. Even tho it was a donkey call, it was such a bad board, it wasn't worth playing so fast imo. It was still early enough that you could have folded to the reraise, but your read was right. I think you could have picked a better spot to go all in.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by joepro

Kings cracked hurts, but that was a bad flop for you. Three connecting suited cards are just too much to deal with. I'm a big fan of the continuation bet, but not in this case. If anything, a small continuation bet, but there are too many hands that beat you. Even tho it was a donkey call, it was such a bad board, it wasn't worth playing so fast imo. It was still early enough that you could have folded to the reraise, but your read was right. I think you could have picked a better spot to go all in.

imo, above is horrible horrible advice. Folding KK after c-betting to an ATC lunatic is horrible.

You made the right play. He hit his 9 outer, oh well, crap happens. moving on....

[beekeeper]

Originally Posted by joepro

Kings cracked hurts, but that was a bad flop for you. Three connecting suited cards are just too much to deal with.

That's the most amazingly stupid part of wisc.best's call. He was essentially chasing a gut shot and wasn't even drawing to the best hand.

Maybe he figured your flop bet was a continuation bet with two high cards???? But if so, why not reraise you with "top" pair and bluff that he made the flush? Too bad the turn couldn't have been the 5 of clubs.

[joepro]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

imo, above is horrible horrible advice. Folding KK after c-betting to an ATC lunatic is horrible.

You made the right play. He hit his 9 outer, oh well, crap happens. moving on....

Double-horrible? I think it was a questionable call, but not as clear cut as you say. It was a great read, I mean, the guy is clearly a bad player. I would at least give the guy credit for the ace of clubs, in which case kk is a dog. There are not many hands kk is favored with here, to me, I cry and probably lay it down. However, holding the king of clubs made it a tougher call. I think a case can be made for either play.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by joepro

Double-horrible? I think it was a questionable call, but not as clear cut as you say. It was a great read, I mean, the guy is clearly a bad player. I would at least give the guy credit for the ace of clubs, in which case kk is a dog. There are not many hands kk is favored with here, to me, I cry and probably lay it down. However, holding the king of clubs made it a tougher call. I think a case can be made for either play.

stove a reasonable range for this villain that includes all overpairs to the board, all two pair hands, all pairs+draws, all AcX hands, as well as some flopped lower flushes, some straights, and some other crap. I guarantee you we are way ahead of that range and this is a super easy call.

if you fold this spot a lot to loose bad donkament players than you are playing weak tight poker and you are really going to struggle to cash.