[FlopZnuts]

Here's the deal. .25/.50 No limit cash game at my house almost every Saturday with the same people almost every week too. We have all been playing cards with each other for going on 2 years now and we all pretty much know each others game. I was on the button with around $100. The normal 2 or 3 limpers call around to the cutoff with around $100 also, who makes it $5 straight and the action is on me.

I look down at .

Now, the player who raised it up from the cutoff is a decent player who tends to be pretty ABC but fairly aggressive. Unless he has a very well disguised hand he is not that hard to read most of the time and does not try to get cute with stuff very often. He usually bets strong when he has a hand and don't really chase alot if it gets expensive. However, pre-flop in this game people could easily be raising with weaker holdings such as KQs or AJ and the like or even a middle pair in the hole. So, to get a little info and protect my hand I re-raised it $15 straight. He thought for a second or two (not very long) and smooth called. (Could I be in trouble I wondered? Pre-flop, I felt like he was holding a big ace like AK or AQ, but his fairly quick call gave me a little pause. He also gave off a vibe of strength, but he also seemed a little vaunerable too.)

Anyhoo, the flop is:


Action is on my opponent who bet $30. Now, one other thing about this player is that if he raises pre-flop, he almost ALWAYS is going to fire again no matter what comes on the flop. The only exception to this is if he is in later position and someone bets strong before it gets around to him. So even if he entirely missed this flop I felt he would have made about the same bet. I went back over the range of hands I was putting him on and really felt like he had either pocket queens (which had me crushed), or AK and he completely whiffed the flop. I decided to call.

The turn was:

Without hesitstion he moved the rest in, and before he could push his chips in I was already in the pot! I said, "did I crack your Queens" and he just looked at me disghusted and turned over KK.

I guess you could say it was a bad beat or suckout or whatever, but based on the player, situation and type of laggy play we usually get, I dont feel my re-raise preflop was too bad of a bad play, was it? Should I have just called or even folded? I had to be either a slight favorite or 4 to 1 dog but at this point I really felt I was ahead, but I was wrong, lol.

Also, given that his history has shown time and time again that he will fire at any flop (whether he hit or not) if he has raised pre-flop except for when someone acting before him bets big, I don't think my call there was too bad either.

((BTW, he takes down MANY, MANY pots on the flop like this. I mean ALOT of pots!!! In fact, I would about say that this is where he makes lots of his money, and he hardly ever has to show a hand!))

It was not until the turn that I finally realized he had a big pair but by then it was too late.


Anyway, I am open to hear how badly I played this hand....lol!

[StevenH72]

I don't mind the 3bet pre-flop as it gives a decent idea of where you stand in the hand, and $5 is quite a big raise (10x BB) so he could have just been trying to take the pot there.

On the flop if you think he is just C-betting, I think you either need to raise, or fold if you feel he does have a strong holding, I don't think calling is an awful idea, but it's also not the best line imo.

[Sneds]

I don't think you played it badly at all. You tried to find out where you were in the hand. If the T doesn't fall and he still pushes it AI on the turn then you've got a decision, but the way the hand played out it's fine.

TBH if he's cbetting every flop, then you'd be mad not to call with TT. Nice turn.

[jojobinks]

wait a sec, dudes. this is VERY different than a c-bet, b/c he no longer had the lead in the hand. when you three bet him, and then he leads at the flop, that's stronger than a normal c-bet. in addition, it's potsized (whereas a c-bet is often quite a bit less than that).

in sum, a potsized bet, oop and without the lead in the hand. i think with an ABC player you have to put him on more than AK here.

btw, even after you hit your T you're sweating the queen on the river. also, in your description of preflop play you said he could easily have made this play with KQ, which has you pretty dead on teh turn.

so yeah, i dunno. i think your turn play is fine

[jojobinks]

also, i think it's pretty clear he played it bad. i'd have check/called or c/r'ed the flop.

[tomb1]

Fold to his big bet after the flop. Of all the hands you say he could likely have, you're behind to most. I'd say you're worse than a 2:1 dog here.

OK, you beat AK and AQ but still 2 cards to come to beat. You're behind on KK, QQ, JJ, AJ, 99, all pretty likely he could be holding.

But nice that it came out the way it did!

[Sneds]

Originally Posted by tomb1

Fold to his big bet after the flop. Of all the hands you say he could likely have, you're behind to most. I'd say you're worse than a 2:1 dog here.

OK, you beat AK and AQ but still 2 cards to come to beat. You're behind on KK, QQ, JJ, AJ, 99, all pretty likely he could be holding.

But nice that it came out the way it did!

Why does the $5 raise pf = fold? In my personal experience when playing live, the raises very rarely stay close to standard and are usually ridiculously high, especially when people are sat down with 200BB stacks+

The OP didn't mention that the raise was too out of the ordinary, so i made the assumption that $4-5 wasn't far off what everybody had been raising.

Maybe we would have seen some different responses if OP hadn't revealed result and villians holding?

[tomb1]

Originally Posted by tomb1

Fold to his big bet after the flop. Of all the hands you say he could likely have, you're behind to most. I'd say you're worse than a 2:1 dog here.

OK, you beat AK and AQ but still 2 cards to come to beat. You're behind on KK, QQ, JJ, AJ, 99, all pretty likely he could be holding.

Originally Posted by Sneds

Why does the $5 raise pf = fold?

No, pre-flop re-raise was OK to define his hand. (And he defined that it was pretty darn good.)

I was talking about folding after the flop. He bet the pot into you. You're likely way behind here.

[Poboy]

Preflop, his range is AA-77 (minus TT), AK-AJ, KQ, KJs. Your re-raise is for value.
Then he donks the flop. The sole draw is a GS straight draw. Would he donk w/3rd pair, 88 or 77? AQ or KQ? Now his range is AA-99, AK, AJ, KJs. So he beats you with AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 99, AJ, KJ. And you beat AK.

[StevenH72]

Just re-read the OP, I think I skimmed some information, if he is a fairly decent ABC player, I don't think he is going to be donk-betting into you without some real strength.

I agree with Poboy you are beating only a small part of his range so you have poor equity in this hand.

Imo fold post flop.