[abby99]

Single table tournament of CT'ers all known to me. Play is generally aggressive. With blinds at 75/150, we've already lost four players.

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won

PokerStars Game #16279698544: Tournament #81837937, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/03/27 - 00:17:31 (ET)
Table '81837937 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button

SB - t3945 (M=17.5)
msmjcjjjas (abby99) - t2845 (M=12.6)
UTG - t1255 (M=5.6)
CO - t2050 (M=9.1)
Button - t3405 (M=15.1)

PREFLOP Level V (75/150)
msmjcjjjas is BB with 6 6
3 folds, SB raises t450 to t600, msmjcjjjas calls t450.

FLOP t1200 (2 players)
5 4 9
SB bets t1200, msmjcjjjas ???

I considered folding pre-flop. I was third in chips but not comfortably so. Based on the flow of the table, it was unlikely that I'd be able to coast into third, and I wanted to give myself a chance for first or second. If I called and saw a friendly flop, I could significantly increase my stack, and I wouldn't be crippled if the flop hit SB instead. I interpreted SB's pre-flop raise to mean that he had a decent Ace or a small-to-medium pair and that he did not want a call. The call was for 17% of my stack, not counting my BB.

Would you have folded this pair pre-flop and waited for a better spot?

I figure that I'm about a 3:2 favorite after the flop. What would you do?

[Couga]

Originally Posted by abby99

Single table tournament of CT'ers all known to me. Play is generally aggressive. With blinds at 75/150, we've already lost four players.

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won

PokerStars Game #16279698544: Tournament #81837937, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/03/27 - 00:17:31 (ET)
Table '81837937 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button

SB - t3945 (M=17.5)
msmjcjjjas (abby99) - t2845 (M=12.6)
UTG - t1255 (M=5.6)
CO - t2050 (M=9.1)
Button - t3405 (M=15.1)

PREFLOP Level V (75/150)
msmjcjjjas is BB with 6 6
3 folds, SB raises t450 to t600, msmjcjjjas calls t450.

FLOP t1200 (2 players)
5 4 9
SB bets t1200, msmjcjjjas ???

I considered folding pre-flop. I was third in chips but not comfortably so. Based on the flow of the table, it was unlikely that I'd be able to coast into third, and I wanted to give myself a chance for first or second. If I called and saw a friendly flop, I could significantly increase my stack, and I wouldn't be crippled if the flop hit SB instead. I interpreted SB's pre-flop raise to mean that he had a decent Ace or a small-to-medium pair and that he did not want a call. The call was for 17% of my stack, not counting my BB.

Would you have folded this pair pre-flop and waited for a better spot?

I figure that I'm about a 3:2 favorite after the flop. What would you do?

With play being aggressive, I call 80% of the time and reraise another 900 the other 20%. If SB calls and I get a favorable flop I push. If it is scary I muck and still get out with a decent stack intact.

When I call and get a favorable flop if SB checks I bet the pot. If he bets the pot then I gotta think about it for a long time and go with my gut based on previous hands with the villan.

- Couga

[littlebu]

Since this was a STT M's aren't really that important. The important count is BB's. You have approx. 19 BB's here. Only UTG is under 10 BB's and no ones very short. Knowing how these things play there's a very good chance that the sb has nothing and is on a steal. Any substantial reraise pf is pretty committing. If we just call there will most certainly be overs. I would shove over the top pf. This accomplishes a couple of things. It sends a message not to mess with your blind and we pick up 1/3 of our chipstack. If called we're in good shape against a random hand. Usually we'll be on the good side of a 60/40.

[littlebu]

By raising another 900 your putting t1500 into the pot with a stack of t2845 and your going to muck the flop?

Originally Posted by Couga

With play being aggressive, I call 80% of the time and reraise another 900 the other 20%. If SB calls and I get a favorable flop I push. If it is scary I muck and still get out with a decent stack intact.

When I call and get a favorable flop if SB checks I bet the pot. If he bets the pot then I gotta think about it for a long time and go with my gut based on previous hands with the villan.

- Couga

[Couga]

Originally Posted by littlebu

By raising another 900 your putting t1500 into the pot with a stack of t2845 and your going to muck the flop?

On a dangerous flop with a substantial bet into me, yes, I muck. I'm still in 3rd chip position with 10 BB to play with and am very likely beat. Why donate the rest of my chips when the villian either had me beat preflop or has improved on the flop to a hand that likely beats me now? My raise both defined my hand and his call defined his as not garbage.

If you see it as having no option on the flop than pushing why raise the 900 chips to start with? Are you saying this is a call or push preflop situation? I certainly don't see it that way.

- Couga

[littlebu]

Any bet on the flop is going to be substantial relative to what you have left. I'm not comfortable with just giving half my stack away. In a BVB I tend to be very aggressive. By doing what you are suggesting you are giving the BB even more ammo to completely run the table over. Not a good situation

Originally Posted by Couga

On a dangerous flop with a substantial bet into me, yes, I muck. I'm still in 3rd chip position with 10 BB to play with and am very likely beat. Why donate the rest of my chips when the villian either had me beat preflop or has improved on the flop to a hand that likely beats me now? My raise both defined my hand and his call defined his as not garbage.

If you see it as having no option on the flop than pushing why raise the 900 chips to start with? Are you saying this is a call or push preflop situation? I certainly don't see it that way.

- Couga

[Harlequin011]

Abby

I'm 80/20

fold/push

Depending on the villain

[Couga]

Originally Posted by littlebu

Any bet on the flop is going to be substantial relative to what you have left. I'm not comfortable with just giving half my stack away. In a BVB I tend to be very aggressive. By doing what you are suggesting you are giving the BB even more ammo to completely run the table over. Not a good situation

This is what I am not understanding. I agree any bet on the flop is going to be substaintial and hero would likely be all in, but if the villan bets you can be sure that you are beat and you can lay it down. You get out with a stack still intact. With your re-raise Pre flop the villan won't bet into a scary board if he doesn't have you beat. The strength that the Hero showed re-raising pre flop can either be a Big Ace or a mid to small pair like we have. The villain doesn't know for sure one way or the other and we have position on him. If he checks a scary board you can move at it representing a bigger hand than you have. With the amount of money in the pot I doubt an aggressive player would check trap, and it is not a must bet situation for him, is it?

This is a good discussion hand.

[Couga]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

Abby

I'm 80/20

fold/push

Depending on the villain

Ok, I don't claim to be a great poker mind or anything. However, why push instead of a good raise? A good raise will get you the same information and gives you an out with a playable stack? If you push the only hands that are going to call you are coin flips or hands that have you crushed. A good sized raise will get you that same information and still let you play if you are wrong. Or am I a donktacular player?

[Irish Se7en]

Having played in the game and noticed how aggressive the villain was playing, I don't mind the call preflop.

As for the flop, I know the answer and I thought you made a great read and played the hand well if not perfect.


Also, I didn't know you were msmjcjjjas, so it was a pleasure to have you on my right.